Ruddle Me This! with Taylor Ruddle

22. Lily Allen's It's Not Me, It's You Part 1 w/ Aimée Borlase

August 07, 2023 Taylor Ruddle Episode 22
Ruddle Me This! with Taylor Ruddle
22. Lily Allen's It's Not Me, It's You Part 1 w/ Aimée Borlase
Show Notes Transcript

In this episode I am joined by comedian, singer and actor Aimée Borlase! She brought with her to the show to discuss Lily Allen's album "It's Not Me, It's You." We discuss a little bit of The Muppet's at the start which was her alternative choice, but ended up going with Lily Allen. We discuss why this album was meaningful to Aimée, some of the themes contained in the lyrics and talk about how this album and Lily Allen in general has influenced Aimée's art thus far. Aimée is a self admitted over-preparer and had prepared a ton of notes, so we ended up being able to go for a lot longer than expected as thus this is part 1 of our discussion, give me a subscribe to keep in the know for when part 2 drops in a couple of weeks!

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Ruddle Me This. As always, I am Taylor Ruddle, the Ruddler, your host for the podcast. In today's episode, I have another Christchurch comedian, Amy Bullace, joining me. Amy is a qualified drama queen and experienced funny person based in New Zealand, according to her bio. But basically she's a singer and a stand-up comedian and an actor. I first met Amy last year sometime when I was up in Nelson doing a couple of comedy shows. And I think she moved down to Christchurch not long after that and we kind of kept in touch and become quite friendly. So it was great to have Amy on the podcast today. When I asked Amy if she had a piece of media that was meaningful to her to bring onto the podcast, she was torn between The Muppets and between Lily Allen's album, It's Not Me, It's You. She ended up opting for the Lily Allen album, but at the start of this episode, I asked her a little bit about The Muppets and we did talk about that for a little bit. So there is a bit of Muppets talk at the beginning. Now we had initially thought this was going to be one episode, but Amy warned me ahead of time that she was an over-preparer and she'd prepared copious notes for this interview, so we ended up having more than enough content to split this into two episodes. So this is part one. The second part will be released in the weeks to come. So with that, please welcome to the show Amy Borlase. Amy and welcome to the podcast. Hello, hello. How are you doing? Thanks for having me. You're very welcome. We're having a rager of a Friday night, uh, recording a podcast over Zoom. Have you had an all right week so far? I have, I have. It's, it's been one of those kind of, uh, the office job's been a bit busy, but, um, it's, there's been balance. So that's all right. I've had a particularly cerebral day. Well, for what I do anyways, um, So yeah, we'll just kind of, we'll have a bit of fun with this one. Today we're going to be talking about Lily Allen's album called It's Not Me, It's You, which I understand is quite, well, you had to decide between the Muppets and this album when you were deciding what you were going to bring to the podcast. Can we talk about the Muppets a tiny bit before we get on? Yeah, absolutely. What about the Muppets was? It was super meaningful to you because I wasn't really raised on it. So I think it might be lost on me, but, um, yeah, just talk a little bit about why you like the Muppets. Yeah. I mean, I definitely was kind of, I was definitely raised on the Muppets. Um, I used to watch Sesame Street pretty much every morning as a kid. I w I've always had a morning person. So even as a child, I would get up before everybody else, I'd get up at six o'clock and I put Sesame Street on, even when I was kind of too old to be watching Sesame Street. I mean, I remember having a conversation with my friends at school where we were like, well, I'm six and I still sometimes watch Sesame Street, even though it's for little kids. And we had like, we had the Muppets Christmas Carol on VHS and we had a cassette tape of kind of highlights from the Muppet show that we would play when we were going road trips. Yeah, of course. So. like super familiar with all these characters and they haven't, you know, it's, it's like a, I guess, like a, a sitcom in that the characters never change. And they haven't changed my whole life. And they haven't changed since the seventies, you know, they've, new people, new muppets have come along. But Kermit is always going to be the neurotic producer and Miss Piggy is always going to be Miss Piggy. And you know, it's, they're, they're familiar. And, and I think. as I've gone through and done more and more theatre stuff, it's become even more relatable because the Muppets are, so much of what the Muppets do is about them putting on their show. Yeah, because I, so like I said, I'm not familiar with it, but the Muppets show is kind of a show within a show. Have I got that right? Yeah, it's like, Sesame Street came first, and then, this is how I could have done a whole podcast about the Muppets. Um. Yeah. Um, Sesame Street kind of came. first and the Muppets, the pilot episode of the Muppet show was called the Muppets sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Really? Uh, yeah. Yeah. Because it was, well, yeah, they did. Cause it was, it was the adult, they w I think they just wanted to be really clear that Sesame street was like very much an educational program for very young children and this is, is not. And when I mean, some of the episodes have like. the little, you know, if you watched it on Disney plus, they have the little Disney content warnings at the front where they're like, you know, this episode contains, uh, representations of, of people that we would now consider inappropriate. Um, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And the, and the show itself, the Muppet show is like, uh, it's like the Muppets are putting on a variety show and you get to see the skits, but you also get to see behind the scenes and all the things that have gone wrong. Yeah, okay. While they try to scramble to put the show together. I might have to watch some of the Muppets and we can maybe do another episode on that. That's really fascinating. Yeah, and I, when I was a little child, I wasn't sure if the Muppets and Sesame Street were in the same universe. Like, have they ever had any crossover where the Muppets went and visited Sesame Street? Yeah, so that like, the Muppet, the characters on Sesame Street that are Muppets, that are Marionette puppets, are like Muppets? Yeah. And they'll have like even some of the early episodes of the Muppet show, they'd have like, Burton Ernie would come in and do a skit. And it would be like, Burton Ernie from Sesame Street are here. And then Burton Ernie are kind of going like, oh, we feel a bit, you know, are we really good enough to be on the adult late night show? You know? Wow. Yeah. So Jim Henson was doing the multiverse thing before many properties were. So were you also a Labyrinth fan? No, not at all. Not at all, okay, the swerve. I just didn't, I didn't watch it. I think I, I haven't even, I don't think I've actually watched the whole thing. I think I might've watched it at like my mum's friend's house around Christmas time in pieces. And it was kind of like a little bit freaky. So I never revisited. It's very much a fever dream kind of vibe going on there. I didn't, I know people that. that's their absolute favorite movie, but it wasn't quite my thing either. So I can understand that. Okay. Well, that was great too. I really enjoyed that. Let's get on to Lily Allen. So to my, I've listened to the album sort of like right through, but I'm so admittedly really bad at taking in lyrics from songs. So I sort of, I was kind of half reading the lyrics and half watching along and just trying to take in what I could. I should have looked this up before, but do you know what year the album was released in? I sure do. I have notes. I have notes because I have ADHD and I don't trust my brain. So I like to have notes. So this album is her second album. It came out in 2009. So her debut album, All Right Still was 2006. Oh, wow. She's a lot more recent than I thought she was. Because she, how old is she? She's probably in earth. 30s now? Is that? She's in like her mid 30s. She's like a couple, I think she's a couple of years older than me. Gotcha. Google it. I guess we could interlude this as well. You warned me ahead of time that you are a super preparer, I think. Was that the phrase you used? Yeah. So that's... I'm an over preparer. Over preparer is what he said, yeah. Which will serve us very well in this conversation, I think, so we do appreciate it. So it came out in 2009. Is that when you first heard... Um, some of the tracks. Yeah. Do you remember kind of the first time you ever heard it? I don't, I don't. I mean, as I mentioned, I have ADHD, uh, and the memories don't refile themselves in the right cabinets. Okay. Um, I, what I mean, I, I kind of said, you know, I can't talk about the second album without talking about the first album because the first album, I mean, the first album, Lily Allen kind of, uh, leaked isn't really a right word. She like. published some of the titles on MySpace because she was kind of sick of waiting for them to get released properly. And All Right Still is an album that I downloaded on Limewire. Nice. So I guess I probably had to wait a week. You probably had to wait through a bunch of Linkin Park albums and all that other good stuff on Limewire. What a time. No, you can't have a phone call mum. I'm trying to download a song. Yeah, and they take like nine hours to do. That was, and it was one that kind of sat in the rotation of like, I used to make, you know, make little mix, mixtape CDs and I had a lot of fun making sure all the metadata on them was correct and that the tracks were in there so that when I put the CD in the computer and played it on Windows Media Player, the track and artist would come up correctly. I'm starting to wonder if I have ADHD too. Oh, I tell you what, if you're an artist of any kind, you should probably go get tested. Go in for a check and just see. Yeah. When is it, are you comfortable talking more about the ADHD? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's a huge chunk of my shot. How long have you been diagnosed for? I was only diagnosed about two years ago. Yeah, okay. I was one of those, I was kind of one of those, people that came out of lockdown going like, oh, I figured out what type of crazy I am. Really? Yeah, but it wasn't, it was actually not because of lockdown for me. What actually happened is that someone completely randomly in passing asked me if I had ADHD and I was like, Oh no, what are you talking about? But I think because it was a conversation happening after lockdown, uh, with like the kind of boom of Tik Tok, people started really talking about ADHD because Tik Tok is like catnip for ADHD. So I just Googled it basically. And I was like, oh, this is, it's not just, it's not just that it's things that I can relate to. I was like, oh, this is things that I'm insecure about. But it was kind of that like things that really cut me that I was like, oh, these are all the things that I hate about myself in a list. And going, oh, well that's okay. So yeah, getting the test and getting the confirmation and the diagnosis just meant that I was like, oh, I'm not broken. I just, my brain works different. So that was going to be my next question is I know a lot of people are thinking about going for a test. What in New Zealand is the process to getting yourself tested for ADHD? Like what, if somebody's just kind of you, yeah, what would they, what would the first thing they do? New Zealand. Um, the first thing you should do is just say a little prayer to whatever deity you believe in. Yeah. Um, a lot of people, uh, do the thing that you kind of, uh, you know, quote unquote should do, which is. is go to your GP and ask for a referral. But the truth is that in New Zealand, it might be changing now with the way they've changed the DHB system to like a New Zealand-wide, but basically most DHBs did not have the capacity to test adults for ADHD unless it was kind of a comorbid with something else that was very serious. Like people who were at, you know, kind of, whose lives were at risk because of their mental health is kind of how the level you'd have to be able to get tested. So even though technically what I meant to say the proper thing to do is to go to your GP and have a conversation. Actually, the thing you should do is, uh, talk to a qualified psychologist about getting a referral to an ADHD specific clinic. Um, and it's also worth mentioning while I'm here talking about it. that a lot of the symptoms of ADHD are also symptoms of PTSD and a bunch of other things. And you actually should have get checked for all of the other stuff as well, because ADHD treatment is only going to help you so much if the thing that you're dealing with is actually, you know, some buried trauma or something like that. You want to make sure it's definitely that. Yeah. Well, that's good. We're all about practical steps here at Rattle Me This. I appreciate you putting that out into the world. If I can find like a link or something to chuck in the show notes, I'll do that as well. But yeah, I appreciate you talking about that. It's something that I think a lot of people are getting. It feels like a lot of people are getting adult ADHD diagnoses lately. And I didn't realize that the pandemic might have had something to do with that. I suppose more because you're just alone with your thoughts a lot during the pandemic. Yeah, a lot of time to think. I think that's a lot of it. Yeah, lots of thinking time. And then, yeah, I think, I think, uh, people were spending a lot of time online, a lot of time on tick tock, especially because, uh, ADHD. I mean, I'm not, again, I'm not a psychologist. I'm a, I'm a comedian. Um, let's be clear. Uh, but one of the major, uh, things with ADHD, one of the big causes of the problems in the brain is to do with, um, the way that you guys kind of like a lack of dopamine. Uh, so when you. think about what dopamine is, which is like your reward chemical reward chemical. So if you're doing an activity that is like playing a video game, it's like instant dopamine, quick, quick brain ADHD brain slubber. So they love TikTok and Instagram reels. Cause it's like quick speedy instant gratification. So it's just like millions of people had heaps of free time to jump on TikTok and then went, Oh, we're all the same. Yeah. Now there's like a lot more awareness that just wasn't there before. I suppose that's a good thing though. Like by hook or by crook, people are getting diagnosed with it. So I guess, uh, yeah, it's really great. Oh, well, that's great. Um, let's get back onto Lily Allen. I'm sure, I'm sure that was interesting. People like, I, what I like about podcasting is that you never know where it's going to end up. And that's kind of the beauty of these, these conversations. So, um, Yeah, we were just sort of talking about your first impressions of hearing the album. Yeah. The Mice. We didn't even, we didn't actually get to the album that I wanted to talk about. I'm still talking about the first one. So please, the floor is yours. So, yeah, I have to talk about the first one. All Right Still, the songs that people will know from All Right Still are LDN, which is a song in which Lily Allen rhymes alfresco with Tesco. Beautiful, beautiful lyricism. Um, and where she's kind of like, uh, skipping through the streets of London and a red ball gown with white trainers. Nice. Um, I've always wanted to wear that outfit. I, I would never, I would, I could never pull it off. Um, and then the other album, the other song that people, the other song people know from the album is smile, um, which is a song about, uh, a breakup and, and just being like, I am real glad we're done. But the music video, because the music video for that, she kind of punishes her ex by putting laxatives in his coffee and all sorts of stuff. But the thing with that album really kind of drew me into Lily Allen is that she was singing in her natural London accent. It was very, very like cool lyrics where it was like... She wasn't trying, which is true because she didn't know how to write songs. Right, right. She didn't really know what she was doing. And the voice, in the sense both of like her artistic voice, but also that she was singing in her natural voice. It was a very kind of spoken, but it was pretty. She was singing in like a heady mix voice. I'm a singer and she's singing in this heady mix kind of style. that is not what I was hearing in pop at that time. And it was different and it was just like fun. For those of us that don't know music, what is a heady style? What is a heady mix? Some other examples. So, a really, so a kind of, your head voice is like a higher pitch kind of sound, a breathier sound. Your chest voice is like those lower kind of sounds. Right, okay. So if you think about, the way someone like Ariana Grande sings, it's Ariana Grande sings, Ariana Grande really sings in a really, it's really mixed and it's a lot of head voice sound. And your chest voice would be your kind of Kelly Clarkson, belty kind of sound. And Lily Allen was, when we were kind of coming out of that, like, late 2000s. Yeah, we're really sort of like recovering from Christina Aguilera. I think this probably would have been a, this would have been around the same time Dershi came out, I think. Um, and then to have that absolute juxtaposition of this very like light and kind of spoken and it's really easy. It's really easy sounding. It's not about the singer. It's about the song. Yeah. Good on saying that. Yeah. So that's the first album. I'm done with the first album. We'll talk about the album that I want to talk about. Gotcha. Um, 2009, uh, so I was 19 going on 20. I had moved out of home, but I've been in my second year of uni. Um, this album has some of my still favourite songs. I recognized a lot from it. Yeah. Like just absolutely. I'm like. amazing songs. I could spend an hour on every song to be honest. There's two that I've got like the track list in front of me and there's two that I've kind of crossed out, which is the first and the last song. So the first song is Everyone's At It, which is about drugs. And I didn't connect with it. I didn't connect with it at the time and I still don't. And I think it's because it's just not one of my favorite songs. That's fine. I'm allowed to not have, I'm allowed to have a not favorite. And then the last track is he wasn't there, which is about her relationship with her dad, which is a really, it's a really interesting song, but I don't relate to it. Like I don't have, I have a really great relationship with my dad. He did not fuck off like her dad did. So I don't, I just don't connect with it. But the 10 other songs are like some of my favorite songs still. Well, let's, let's rip into some of them. What, what, uh, what have you got to say? Well, I'll start with, Oh goodness. Where do I even start? That's so they're all so good. I'm going to start at the top. So the fear, just like amazing song about, uh, capitalism, consumerism, social media. This is a song that's like 14 years old. And when you listen to the lyrics, it could have been written now. Yeah. I don't know what's right and what's real anymore. I don't know what I meant to feel anymore. Like, and she's got this really great lyric where she says, I look at the sun and I look in the mirror and she's talking about English tabloids. Oh, yeah, okay. She's talking about the newspapers. Yeah, that's really clever. I didn't even realize that. It's so clever. Yeah. Um, I didn't realize until I was doing, I was singing it on SingStar and I saw the lyrics and I saw they were capitalized and I went, Oh, what? Well, we wouldn't think of them because we don't, you know, we don't have those. But as soon as you see them, I realized, Oh yeah, I've seen those. Yeah. Just so, and I think it's that it, the fear for me is a song that kind of marks. the beginning of the social media age. Like this was maybe like two years after Facebook. Yeah. The kind of like, Myspace is kind of on its way out. Yeah, yeah. And we're starting to kind of put everything online. This is the, 2009 is that thing that people see in memes now where millennials is like. millennials telling Gen Z that we used to upload 80 unedited photos every Sunday morning on Facebook. Like that's the, I mean, we didn't have, uh, we didn't know how privacy settings were. Everything was public. You'd be like on your wall talking about how like you didn't like someone and they would see it. Like, yeah, yeah. It was a very, it was like wild. We didn't realize how permanent the internet was. Did we? No. Yeah. Everything is for either. Yeah. What is really interesting is that she started to pick up on that early into Facebook. Yeah. Like if anything, it's only gotten worse now. Yeah. But to spot that so early is like, wow. Yeah. But it's just that it was like, that's the climate of like, I mean, I don't wanna, I'm not gonna repeat the whole song, but, but you know, there's lyrics like, I'm packing plastic. That's what makes my life so fucking fantastic. Um, I'm a weapon of massive consumption, but it's not my fault. It's how I'm programmed to function. Like the, like the, I think that Lily Allen's lyrics are just so good because they aren't excessively poetic. She writes like, just say it how it is. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. A hundred percent. And, but, but there is still so much in there that's clever. Yeah. It's a very good mix. And some of them are, because I want to mention every single song, I'll move on to the next one straight away, which is, We can circle back over that time at the end. This next song, the third track on the album, Not Fair, is like basically a comedy song. So I mean, as someone who does comedy songs as part of my, you know, part of my art, this Of course I go back to this. You know, these, this is Lily Allen, someone that's an inspiration to me in my, in my art that I do. Yeah. Uh, and not fair is a kind of pop song with a little bit of a country vibe. Uh, and it is about being with a guy who's real lovely and then just so bad and beard that you're like, I don't know if this is worth it. Oh, that's brilliant. I know the song. It's not, yeah. And it's not just, I think what's really important about it though, is that it's not just a guy who's bad in bed, it's a guy who's selfish in bed. Right. Yeah. And how telling that is about the relationship that it's not just like, uh, like, oh, like he doesn't know what he's doing. It's like, oh, he like really doesn't give a shit about me. Yeah. But he is saying all these really nice things, but then he doesn't prove it in this really important part of the relationship. Yeah. But it's so funny. I was gonna ask, is Lily Allen completely straight? As far as has been revealed? As far as, I think as far as, yes, she's not out as queer. She's like a deaf, like a massive ally. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, she's married to David Haber. Yeah. Oh, she really? Yeah. Wow. Isn't that weird? How did those two meet? I have no idea. He's American, isn't he? Yeah, these are very well known, um, well recognized by the fans. I'm sure, uh, um, architectural design, what's the name? AD magazine, architectural design magazine. They do like tour, celebrity tours of celebrity houses, and they did a tour of their, uh, little, uh, Brooklyn townhouse and it's very, it's a very strange video to watch. Interesting. The, um, yeah. Cause the reason they asked that is cause a lot of. I don't know if this is going to sound weird to say, but it sounds like she's sick of men, sick of dating men. And because it was from that early 2010s, I just thought, is this kind of pre, maybe she's going to be bi later on? Does that make sense at all to you? Like, yeah, that was the thing that I got from a lot of the songs. Yeah. I don't think, I mean, I, I feel like I would know if she was bi. Yeah, you've got it pretty good. I feel like as a bi... woman who was a fan of Lily Allen that would have registered, but I also am a bit useless about small details. So yeah, but yeah, I think, I mean, I think a lot of straight women though get sick of dating men also. Oh yeah. So I think, yeah, if what I've heard from like my friends and just the women in my life, it is a, it's a tough record dating men. And I, and I remember that when this song came out, cause it played on the, like a heavily censored version of this song played on the radio. And because it is literally, there's literally a line in it that she sings. Uh, I'm lying in the wet patch in the middle of the bed. I'm feeling pretty damn hard done by I spent ages giving head, which obviously is like not a radio. Okay. Yeah. Maybe not. Yeah. 2009. But I imagine perhaps a very relatable scene to a lot of listeners. Yeah, it's crucial to the narrative, I think. It's a core memory. Yeah. But I think I remember that playing on, like the song playing on the radio and, you know, radio hosts talking about like, oh, you know, like I've talked to my female friends and they've said that this is like a totally relatable thing. And I'm so shocked. And yeah, it's. Yeah, no, I, um. But also like it's so, it is exactly the thing. It does what a comedy song does, which is tell a really relatable, real thing in a very funny way. Like you have this setup of this really amazing guy who calls her all the time and sees how amazing she is. And then there's just this one little thing and it's this, you know. But unfortunately, that's a pretty major thing, I suppose. Yeah. Sort of a deal breaker. I think that's maybe why some of the beauty of the song is the fact that it's such a paradox, but yeah, I can imagine she's had this string of dickhead guys who've been hopeless and apathetic and everything, and then here's this nice guy, but like, of course the one thing that he's not good at is that. Yeah, yeah. There's no segue into this, but I... That's fine. I guess I will say though, here's my link to the next song is that the music video for that song is very simple. It's just her kind of singing like in the style of one of those kind of 60s TV shows where she's just singing with a backing band. Whereas the fear has an amazing music video and 22, which is the next track on the album, also has an amazing music video. 22 is, I'm like, is it, I'm like, I feel like I need a rush, but, um, so 22. If we start to run out of time, we can maybe just, um, start up another zoom and release it as a part two. I don't know how much time you got on your hands, but, um. It's Friday. I'm not doing anything. Uh, so 22. Yeah, absolutely. And then almost as if to prove my point, I just got the running out of time thing. So this is going to be a true part of it. All right. So roll me those horses. I'll be fast. We'll talk about this song. 22. is a song about a woman who is in her late twenties and she's like, what am I doing with my life? Which is very relatable for me as someone who wrote a whole show about getting to like 30 and going, what are you doing with your life? Um, it also has a really cool music video where it's a bunch of girls in a club doing their face in the, in the mirror, in the bathroom and they all look really stunning, but then you see their reflection and they look awful. Oh, it's just that while they're really drunk, they're like, I look so good. I'll do my makeup. I'll do my lipstick. But when you actually look at them, they're like makeups all smudged and their hair's all skewered and they're all a bit. Yeah. The time for motor skills is not a drunk in the toilet. Which is like, if you've ever, you know, if you've ever been out in town is a very recognizable scene. If you've ever been in a woman's bathroom in a nightclub, I hope you haven't Taylor. That would be a problem if I had, if I went, oh yeah, yeah. Every weekend. Yeah, familiar. Um, so this song is like, it's, it's a song that is kind of written from the, I mean, I think she was, I think Lily Allen was 22 when she wrote this, but the first line of the song is when she was 22, her future looked bright. She's nearly 30 now and she's out every night. And when I first heard the song, I was like in my late teens and I had the same perspective that the, the singer has, which is like observing someone from the outside then when you listen back, when you're in your thirties and you listen to this, you're like, Oh man, that is, that really hits different. Um, Oh, so there's a song that feels different. What, what wage you're listening to? Yeah. Cause as when you're younger and if you, if you go to the music video on YouTube, all the comments are people being like, man, I was like, when I was, when I first heard this, when I was 15, I thought this, but now I'm listening to it. And like, it's, it's a song about a woman who is getting to that point where she's like nearly 30 and she's like, but spent her whole, all of her twenties kind of waiting for her life to start. And now she's like, I thought that like a man would come and help me. You know, she's waiting for like to get a boyfriend and that will be the thing that will like kind of start her life. But she's like, Oh, well I'm nearly 30. And now everyone's like, well, your life's finished. Right. Um, and I think that, I mean, I don't know what it's like to be a man. But I think that this is a uniquely woman experience to have where, because I mean, a lot of it's like biological clock type stuff that you feel like you need to get everything done by the time you're 30. So you can like be ready to have kids or it'll be too late. Society definitely like pushes that on women a whole lot more than men, doesn't it? Yeah. So it's like, yeah, by the time you're 30, you're done. That's an interesting phrase that you use that she's waiting for her life to get started. What does that mean? Like kind of, is this, is this another universal woman kind of? Yeah. So that'll be what like, you know, picket fence, a nice husband, a couple of kids, dog, that kind of thing. Yeah. But it, but it's also like a, it's like a, I'd almost describe it as a feeling. Yeah. Feeling of I just need this thing. And if you listen to the lyrics, it's like, Uh, you know, she doesn't have a problem. She doesn't have a cool career. She just like has an all right job and she's like going out all the time. And she's, she's like, I don't, everybody thinks that her life's finished. Is this a feeling that like, if I had this one thing and it might be a promotion or a cool job or a partner or a kid, like there's a feeling of like, I'm just gonna, I've just gotta wait for my life to start. And then you get to a point where you feel like. Oh, now it's finished. Like, I'm, you know, I'm 30, it's over. It's not even started and it's finished now. But actually what you have to do is then come to terms with the fact that you have been living your life all this time, like every day is, is you're doing it, you know? Yeah. That's that whole life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. Yeah. It's like you're doing it. That's definitely, uh, I would say not universal to women, but I suppose it's It's the initial, it's just like, what is that thing that people think is going to make them happy? And then, yeah, so I know exactly what you mean there that is, um, yeah. So I think that's a universal human experience. So, uh, the fact that she's got that in the song is like very pertinent, I suppose. Oh yeah, absolutely. And then yeah, I think that, yeah, the thing that makes it different is just that like the line that it's in the song, which is it's sad, but it's true that society says that her life is already over. Yeah. Because I don't think that that's, uh, I don't think, I think that is gendered. I think it's, I think that thing of like, you're kind of. Silver Fox and stuff like that, right? Yeah. Much older than 30. Do you feel like it's gotten any better in society since then, or do you feel like we're still fighting for, um, women to be allowed to age? I feel like it's better, but that might just be because I'm over 30. I don't know what it's like to be 20 now. I feel, it feels to me like the people who are in their early 20s now, uh, care less. But like I sometimes find myself on the wrong side of, so, you know, I like, for example, I started following someone on Instagram because I wanted to enter a giveaway and it's not someone I would normally follow. And then I started just saying that their content, which was meant to be about them overcoming this really big thing that they'd gone through. but so much of it was them, basically what I would call body checking. So like so much of it was them in their bikini, putting on a little over sash or something in front of the camera or like posing in a really, in a way that will make your body look a certain way. And I was like, oh, this is a thing that I forgot that still exists is that social media is still full of people posing. in a particular way to look a certain way. And that's like all of the content, like all of the content was, was that. And, and, but the, but the, but it wasn't a diet and fitness creator. It was a trauma survivor creator. Yeah. Very interesting. It's probably it's maybe better, but maybe it's worse depending on what groups that you're in, what part of the internet you live on. Very true. All right, so we got a couple of minutes left. Shall we say goodbye for this time? And then we will start up another Zoom and then we can, we'll release this as a two-part, if you're okay with that. Yeah, absolutely. All right, so thank you so much for listening, everyone. Bye-bye and check in for the next, the part two of the Lily Allen multiverse. Ta-rah. And we are back. I hope you enjoyed that interview. I was a little bit concerned that I wasn't going to be able to contribute to that conversation as much as I did, but I was really happy that I managed to kind of keep up. And I think I was asking good questions to keep the conversation flowing. And I like to think I contributed to that conversation. So like I said at the start, that was part one of that conversation. We picked it up pretty much right away. And the second part will be released in the next few weeks. I'm not exactly sure when it's going to, I've got sort of got to find somebody to slip it into the release schedule. If you would like to get more Amy into your life, you can follow her on the social medias. She is at AmyBorlace on all platforms. She's managed to get the same handle for each one. Very well done. She's even given me a little breakdown of what is on each platform. So she's got Facebook for events and news, Instagram for memes and reels, and YouTube for a biannual vlog or hairstyling video. And then she says, is that for twice a year or once every two years? The answer is yes. Spelling of her name is A-I-M-E-E for Amy and Borelase, B-O-R-L-A-S-E, but I will also chuck those links down in the show notes, so definitely check those out if you would like to see more of Amy. As usual, I'm on all the social media platforms at Taylor Ruddle Comedy. I haven't decided whether or not I'm going to join, God, what is the new Instagram? I'm on thread or whatever it was called. I may join and I may not. My flatmate told me today that apparently that app, collects an astonishing amount of data about you, so I'm a little hesitant for now. The annoying thing is, it seems like the best purpose for that is being able to tweet something and then share that tweet to your stories, which is literally the reason I just started a Twitter account, so I'm gonna have to weigh up my sunk cost fallacy there as to whether it's worth switching over to thread. As always, facebook.com slash can-do comedy to see what gigs we've got coming up. I'm not gonna waste your time rattling those off. We've always got shows on. go to Candid Comedy on Facebook and you can see those. Appreciate you joining us on part one of this journey. Keep, give me a subscribe, give me a five-star review on Apple Podcasts, all that good stuff and keep checking back for part two of this interview. Until then, I'll see you next time. Ruddler out.

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