Ruddle Me This! with Taylor Ruddle

25. Lily Allen's It's Not Me, It's You Part 2 w/ Aimée Borlase

August 28, 2023 Taylor Ruddle Episode 25
Ruddle Me This! with Taylor Ruddle
25. Lily Allen's It's Not Me, It's You Part 2 w/ Aimée Borlase
Show Notes Transcript

Part 2 of my discussion with Aimée Borlase about the album It's Not Me, It's You by Lily Allen. We complete the rest of the tracks on the album and get Aimée's closing thoughts as well as a general observation about Lily Allen as a singer, performer and public figure. We also talk about how it has influenced Aimée with her singing and performing. Probably behooves you to listen to part 1 of this conversation as this episode carries right on from where we left off.

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Hello and welcome back to Ruddle Me This. I am the Ruddler, Taylor Ruttle, your host of the podcast, and this is part two of my discussion with Amy Borlase, a fellow comedian, singer and actor based here in Christchurch. The conversation follows on pretty much immediately from where the last one left off, so if you want to get the full context, you can always go back, pause this one now, go back and listen to part one of the conversation, but otherwise, I'm sure you can just jump right in and enjoy the conversation. So with that, here's part two of the conversation. Welcome back to the show, Amy Bollace. Okay. Welcome back to the podcast Amy. Hello. Lovely to have you back with us, um, and, uh, not a script future time and definitely not the same Friday night that we were recording. We definitely have exciting things to do on a Friday night. Oh, you know it. Okay. So if you listen, listeners out there would have probably heard part one of this. Uh, what was the track that we ended the last one on? Uh, it was track number four, which is called 22. Okay, so we've got about five to go. We got more than half to go. Well, then I'll just let you take it away and bring us into the next track. Awesome. So this one, I guess there's a less, less for me to talk about with this one. Track number five, I could say is a breakup song. It's a breakup song with, you know, the breakup is the best thing. Yeah. Where the breakup feels good. It's about. All the things you could, you know, I could say all these, I could say, you know, I'll be there for you, but like, why, why bother doing that? I actually feel great since we broke up. Um, which is like, I think this is one of the things I really love about this album is that there's like kind of one, there's essentially two kind of love songs, like there's two like, you know, romantic songs and none of it, none of the rest of it really is about romance. Yeah. Um, And I like, I'm not a lovey-dovey romantic person. So, but most pop music is about that. It certainly is. What was that song called? Sorry. It's called, I could say. Ah, and I guess it's just about like a relationship that's kind of run its course. Does it seem to imply that it's mutual in the song? Uh, yeah, I think it's, it's implied that the breakup is mutual, but that the guy that she was dating was a bit of a dick. Ah, okay. Yeah, well then I'm sure again a relatable situation. I feel like that's something very new to the conversation is people seem to be more okay with splitting up if it's not the right thing, whereas it feels like maybe 20 years ago you didn't really hear people talking about. It's almost like, what's the word? I don't wanna say empathy is the right word here, but that relationship, that's just fine. It's not amazing. It's not bad either. but I imagine it was a lot of people's reality. Maybe even today, you know, still a lot of people going through it, but yeah. So any other thoughts on that track? I mean, I just like the, I think that it's got a really strong opening line for a pop song. I could say, which is, oh gosh, I have to make, see if I get this right. I could say I'll always be there for you, but that would be a lie and quite a pointless thing to do. Yeah. It's just, it's straight in there. It's not, again, it's like, it's not super poetic. It's just, it's talky. Yeah. It just sounds like a real conversation. Yeah. It is genuinely how you hear people talk. There, there seemed like a bit of an, like the tone of her music is fairly upbeat, but I got this sense of like kind of melancholy behind everything. Um, it's this interesting kind of up down, uh, mood, I suppose, for the songs. Yeah. Actually, that's a really great segue into the next track. That's why we do it. Take it away. Track number six, back to the start is quite upbeat. Yeah. It feels upbeat. Yeah. It is lyrically, it's a song about having a really bad relationship with your sister and going, I feel like I've been a real dick. Can we please just, I'm real sorry. Can we start again? And it is. One of those songs that like, you, I think if you don't relate to the song, you would listen to it and be like, I don't, what is, okay, fine. But if you have, if there's any part of you that has ever had a challenging relationship with a sibling, even a tiny bit, oh, like I, I remember hearing that song and feeling like, like I have an amazing relationship with my sister. She's one of my best friends, but like there always is when you're growing up and you're, we're very, very different, very, very different people. And she's much more socially competent than I am. Right. And, um, but I did, you know, she's younger than me. I, she's two years younger. Uh, I did a bit better at school. She was a lot better with friends. Basically, if there was any, my mom always said we were like chalk and cheese and that if there was any kind of decision and there was two options, we would never pick the same option, but we will, but we will, but we were and continue to be. incredibly good friends and incredibly close. And this song where she's saying like, I felt like you were prettier than me, you were taller than me, you had more friends than me, I'm jealous, I treated you really badly, and then I just didn't talk to you. Can you please forgive me? And can we just start again? And my understanding is that this song did do that for them, that they were able to repair like quite a bad relationship through this song, which like all of these songs, it's, it's honest. Like you can feel that it's real. And super relatable as well. How many people have had tough relationship with their sisters or just siblings in general? I saw a tweet or it was a screenshot of a, of a phone conversation that just said, this is what it's like being sisters. And it was two, two sisters and all capitals yelling at each other, you know, don't, don't take my, don't take my top. And the other one says, well, you always take my fucking lipstick or something. And then there was like another text and it just said, do you want to go to the movies tonight? And then another one saying, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like it is it. It's absolutely what it is like to be sisters. My younger brother and I would never quite that at each other, but the, yeah, that, that I just saw that. So I go, wait, yeah, that's what it's like with siblings. I think that's, that's a good thing. It's good when you have someone in your life that you can be that honest about how mad you are. But also be like, yeah, but we're good for Saturday, right? Like, yeah, absolutely. Cause you can't exactly like, you know, they're, they're going to be around sort of things, so like, you know, especially when you're growing up as well, like, unless one of you moves out or something, you sort of have to feel like there's a kind of like begrudging, like, all right, well, we need to make this work. Um, even if we're super angry at each other, like my younger brother and I used to have to share a bedroom and we'd fight like all the time, just, you know, I think we just. needed like space and as soon as we got our own rooms, like we're all good and we're very close now but yeah, Siblings is an interesting one. I do like the way you said that you could be angry at them but like yeah, you still have to kind of still have to make it work with them. Yeah, absolutely. Any other thoughts on that track? I think I just like, I think it just really is the lyrics, like the lyrics really hit They really hit because even if like I, I love my sister, but like, I know that I've been jealous of her and she's, I assume been jealous of me at some point of course over something. And I think that because you can really feel in the core of this song that that's been their problem. So it feels personal. I haven't like, you know, I, like I said, I have a great relationship with my sister, but, but it's that core of it where you're like, Oh yeah, I can feel that. That's the thing. Was. Was Lily Ellen known for being particularly sort of like glamorous or beautiful? Was that not really her kind of aesthetic for like, for lack of a better word? Excuse me. To be honest, like I think if you look back on her stuff, you might, it would be easy to think that way, but I don't think so. No. And I think she was more of a, um, she was wearing kind of quirky indie girl. outfits of the time. And she was really known for, like in the media, she was known for drinking pints and doing coke in clubs. Yeah. Because that was one thing that did stand out to me about her lyrics and the kind of theme of the music is that idea of the council estate in the UK. It was very, like, she mentioned Tesco in one of her lyrics and- It feels very working class, I think. And that whole kind of like, you know, doing Equis at a garage rave, sort of, you know, wearing some fairy wings and a tutu kind of, that was the vibe I got from the music. Like, absolutely. Absolutely. And I think when we get down to like some of the later tracks on the album, I think you really see, I mean, actually that I will, I'll touch on the, on the next one, which is, uh, track seven, never going to happen, which is like not my favorite song at all. on it, but it's funny. It's really, I guess none of them are delicate. The lyrics aren't delicate. It is very working classes. Never Gonna Happen is basically a song where she's kind of fucking around with this guy. He is obviously actually interested in her. And she's like, no, I've made it really clear. I don't want anything serious. But like, I am going to call you on a Saturday at like 1am. And you can't have that think that it means anything. Of course, yeah. She's like very much the villain of the song. I assume. I like that. Yeah. And like, because all of her songs are so honest, I have to assume that she has done this to someone. There's some poor guy who really liked her and she's just been like, look, I'm clearly using you. Like, are you? Right. She's definitely like not the hero. I like that. I think that's. That's kind of honest. You don't mean like we're, I think we have to be lying to ourselves. If we think we've never been the villain in any situation before. I mean, maybe there's people that are, that are universally good, but I feel like most people have been the villain at some point. Yeah. And I think, I think because she's the songs are honest. She's the villain in some of them, if not almost all of them. And they are like really political. Yeah. Right from the start, I mean, even the first track that I didn't really touch on it much, where she's talking about people using, um, you know, street drugs and as on top of a prescribed drugs and using that to cope. Um, track, track eight, which is probably the most famous song on the album, which is fuck you. Yep. I remember that one is just all, it's pure politics. It's not like the fear is the fear is a really political song, but it's It feels like a person talking about their experience in the oppressive system. Um, whereas I mean, it's, it's fuck you. Yes, it is what it is. It is so joyful sounding. It's a 14 year old song. Uh, she's Lily Allen sang it with Olivia Rodrigo last year. Really? That's cool. Yep. After the, uh, after the, they overturned Roe v Wade in. Yeah. Yeah Like it's George W. Bush. Yeah. Like that's so long ago, I barely remember it. And it's a song where she's like, actually just go fuck yourself. Like, can you please stop being homophobic and picketed and sexist and racist? Yeah. Like that's not much to ask. Yeah. Stop. Isn't it wild that that's, you know, the Bush administration was like for a lot of, at the time we thought it was as bad as it could get. You listen to any Green Day from that kind of period and you sort of go, wow, okay. I wasn't super cognizant when it, like I do remember Bush being president, but not to the point where I would have known about any socioeconomic or like any kind of thing happening. But I had a coworker that said the Bush administration was terrible for America, but great for punk music. So I guess Lily Allen maybe could be, you could sort of Venn diagram over to that. I mean, yeah. I mean, it is kind of in that sense. It's a really. punk album, if you're talking about like being a like really left-wing political album. It is actually ironically super punk. Yeah, it's just got the pink outfit. That's fairly, I see that in a lot of punks. So yeah, I was going to say as well, the has this, do you know if the song gets played uncensored on the radio here? I've never heard it uncensored. I've heard the version where it goes, cue. Thank you very, very much. Yeah, I feel like I've heard that one too. They leave out the fuh. I heard the version I listened to when I was listening to the album had like those old like awuga horns and like balloons popping and like yes all that sort of thing over the top of it. Fascinating song when it comes to that whole idea of like radio playing and censorship. I remember being, it was a big deal in New Zealand when they played Rage Against the Machines, Killing in the Name of, Uncensored on the radio and they got like John Key to like announce it when it was happening and just yeah, like the whole swearing on the radio thing's fascinating. Obviously it didn't hurt the song though, because I mean, like that's, you know, that was like the main song that I knew of hers before listening to the album. Yeah. And it's so, it feels so joyful. Yeah. It is, isn't it? And the, like the melody and the, like it, there's, it's so fun to sing because you are yelling. You can really lean into it. You really lean into it, but it's like also so pretty. Like the, it's like that fuck you, fuck you, thank you very, very much. Yeah. Like it's, like it's so, it's so fun. It's so fun to sing. It's a little flourish onto it, hey? Yeah. I suppose that's a big theme of hers is that like, It's very upbeat music for the most part. Or if you didn't know the lyrics, you might assume it was happy, but yeah. Has she released anything since, since this album? Yes, she has quite a fair bit. Um, I think the most, the one that probably did the best would have been Sheezus, which was still ages ago. Um, and that was, uh, I'm trying to place it in a timeline. It was. in response to Kanye calling himself Yeezus. So it was around then. Yeezus. Yeah, it was the name of the album. When was that? 2014. So I mean, still, it feels recent to me, but it was not recent at all. So yeah, and then No Shame in 2018. And I Oh yeah. There was like, there's like a song about internet trolls and heart out here, which is heart out here for a bitch is the full lyric. Um, right. Yeah. What was it going to say the, apart from the fuck you song, is there a lot of cuss words in her lyrics? Yeah. Uh, there you go. Well, again, that's how people talk. So, yeah, it is. It's that it's very working class. Yeah. Um, which is ridiculous, a ridiculous thing to say in a lot of ways, because like everyone swears, but it's that like level of acceptability. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That's one thing I found a little bit odd about stand up in New Zealand is people are weird about swearing, comedian swearing. They, yeah, we could get into a whole nother thing about that. Um, I don't know what else we can really say about this song. It's like, it's. pretty much a flagship song, isn't it? Yeah, it's iconic. Which is, I mean, I love the lyrics of all of her songs, but I think what's great about this one is that, it feels like anybody could have written it, but at the same time, only Lily Allen could have written it. Like when you've got lyrics that are just like, you're just some racist that can't tie my laces. Like that's not a great lyric. But I think, um, I guess it's like that expression of, um, you know, you use the level of vocabulary depending on your audience. And for somebody like Lily Allen, she's going for the highest common denominator of just the most people that are likely to understand what she's saying. So nothing wrong with going simple with your lyrics. Absolutely. And also I think there's something really cool about a song where you're just like, uh, I'm addressing this to all the far right bigots and I'm just saying, I think you're evil. Yeah. And that's, it is actually that simple. I just think you're some bigoted evil guy that needs to get over yourself and have that just be the lyrics. There's no subtext. No, not a lot of subtext in Mully Island, but that's, you know, nothing wrong with that. Well, I'd argue there is a lot of subtext in some of them. But there is no subtext in, fuck you. It's all just text. Yeah, exactly. But I mean, that's good to have that kind of range too. Cause I mean, why, why do music if it's not fun, right? Like you might as well, you might as well have your lyrical masterpieces and then something simple like that, right? Yeah, which like, it's, which is, and it's just so iconic. Yeah, exactly. So iconic. Has it been used in any kind of like cinema or TV or anything? Like I'm, I would. be surprised if it wasn't in a movie scene or something like that, you know? I don't know. I've, I've seen it used live a decent amount, but I don't think I've seen it like, yeah, I've done, I've seen it cinematically. Yeah. I have to look that up later on. I'm sure it's been done somewhere, something for sure. Yeah. Should we move on to the next track? Yeah. So we've got two, the next two tracks, nine and 10. Uh, um, who'd have known and Chinese. So they both, um, the two like love songs on the album. Who'd have known is just about like, uh, being around someone. And then you're like, Oh, we kind of, are we a thing? Yeah. I think we are a thing. Yeah. And then by the end of the song, he, you know, he accidentally calls her baby and she's like, yeah, like your friends know that we're a thing. So I think we are. And it's very like, um, it's just. really real. Like it's just, it's a relationship that I think everyone is familiar with. We are like, you kind of fall into it and then you're like, oh, I think, yeah, I think we're a thing. Yeah. Yep. It's what I think is unique about it. It's like every single song is a different situation, but they are all, like, just when I think she's run out of things to make a song about, it's like, oh yeah, that's the perfect subject matter for a song. Yeah, you're right. They are actually. They're all, it's not like, I guess, you know, like Adele's albums that are kind of all about one relationship. The whole album is like one, you know, it's probably all the songs are written to one person. These are all, I mean, I think that they're all clearly have the same voice. But the situations they're addressing are all different. Absolutely. Yeah. And then Chinese is... I think, I mean, like I said, I'm not a romantic person. And I think this is why this is one of my favorite romantic songs. This is, this is a song that is about, it's like, she's, you know, touring or she's traveling and all she wants to do is she's come home. Uh, the chorus goes, you'll make me, well, I think it's a bridge actually. You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea and we'll get a Chinese and watch TV. And like, I'm like, that is just like peak. Like that's relationship goals to me is just, it's like, we'll walk the dogs and I'll probably have a little sleep and like, you know, we'll, we'll get a takeaway and we'll move you or something. And it's just, it's like, and it's, I guess it's kind of that thing of it's, it feels working class, except for the part where she's like, I'm traveling all the time, but it's like, it's achievable goals. Yeah, absolutely. There's a song by a country Western singer called Russell Dickerson and the song's called low key. And it's exactly the same kind of, the same kind of subject matter of like, we could go out, we could pay 50 bucks for parking and then the, you know, coat check fee and then stand around and drink like a $40 cocktail, or we could just put a movie on the TV and, uh, order some food from the Chinese place down the street. And like, I, I'm honestly surprised that more songs, um, coming out like this, given that seems like the sort of, how do I explain this without sounding weird? But like, I feel like our generation and the next one, the Zoomers are sort of like, things like fast food and takeaways and stuff like that are almost kind of like, you remember your parents used to kind of frown on them and that sort of thing, but we kind of grew up on them. So it's a comfortable, like, yeah, like a home comfort sort of thing. And I'm really curious to see, because have you seen on TikTok, couples will do these dates where they go to like, what's Target, I think is the American equivalent of like Kmart here. And they'll do like a Paper Scissors Rock and whoever wins gets to choose like their activity and they'll go to like game section and pick up a board game or something. And then they'll do like dinner and drinks and snacks and all that kind of thing. And yeah, I'm kind of surprised there's not more songs. with these like very achievable like day dreams and stuff. Yeah, cause I think there's so many love songs that are about like the biggest moment. But I guess it's kind of like what we were talking about last time with 22, where we were talking about like how actually living your life every day is the thing that you need to be appreciating. Well, it's the same thing in... In both of these, in both who'd have known and Chinese, it's just about like the little things, the little everyday things that confirm that you're just happy to be around each other. Yeah, I've noticed that in the past when dating women, they're like ever so appreciative of me just being like taking the initiative and booking reservations at a place or do you know what I mean? Like just these weird little details like the bar is low, don't get me wrong, I'm aware the bar is on the ground. Yeah, the bar is very low. I feel like people are happier to hear that than some of these big grand gestures like the rom-coms would have you believe. I think because they're not performative as well. So much of those big gestures are about the show and about the like, it's meant to be about the thought, but it's actually more about the show. And I think the small things where, you know, and this, I mean, the- the lyrics where she's just like, I think that as someone, I mean, it's very, also very English, like I'm English. I was born in England. I've lived here for a long time, but, but it's very English to be like the thing that I really want after a really long flight and a whole bunch of travel is beans on toast and a cup of tea. Oh my word. What a treat. Yeah. I saw her, um, I saw her, someone had posted like a sort of traditional. I think it was like mince on toast with some carrots or something like that. It was like a traditional kind of English dinner or something. And someone commented that a lot of England still eats, like the Germans are flying overhead, but it's like, what's wrong with that? Like if it's good enough for war. Why do you eat like you're still at war? Yeah, exactly. Like if it's, if it's good enough for war time, it's good enough for peace time. I still remember that reading diaries of, this is a very like. middle-aged man thing of me to do, but reading about World War II. But I remember reading a diary from an American soldier talking about how like the rations that the British soldiers had, like you wouldn't feed them to your dog kind of thing. And like, yeah, so, um, but like, yeah, beans on toast is like, it's, it's great. There's nothing wrong with it. It is. Yeah. And that's the thought, like, that's the thing that you really want. Like you don't. You, if you've just done a, you know, you've got a long haul flight or whatever, the last thing you want is a big grand gesture or a night out or a, it's, it's the thought it's a being taken care of really, isn't it? True. Yeah. It's very like, yeah, I don't need to add to that. You nailed it there. Any other thoughts on that track? No, I think they just, they're just nice. Yeah. They're just nice songs. They are like, they are a cup of tea of a song, I think both of them. Yeah. Um. So I'm on the kind of last of my favorite tracks, because the first and the last are just, you know, yeah. So this, the last one, number 11 is called Hymn. And it just occurred to me now that might be a pun. Oh yeah. As in it's H-I-M, but also H-Y-M-N, I think. Oh yeah. Because a hymn is a song. Address to God and this is a song about God. This is like our generations. What if God was one of us? Now that I know that's about God, it changes. Yeah. I'll let you keep talking about it. I'm like, I'm so interested in where that thought was. It's, I mean, the chorus of the song is, I mean, it's, it's Of course, it's post 9-11 times. Ever since he can remember people have died in his good name. He's lost the will. He can't decide. He doesn't know who's right or wrong, but there's one thing that he's sure of. This has been going on too long. So like again, just pure politics, pure politics again. But like also, I think it kind of is everything that we've covered and that it is a very working class. English way of thinking about God. It's, um, and it's not about like a particular, it's not talking about a Christian God. It's sort of saying, if there is this, this guy, this God person, what would he be like? And like, who would he vote for? And do you think he's kind of sick of us? You know, do you think he's kind of a bit over what we've been up to? These are themes that a lot of other singers and songwriters have explored as well. I mean, even that line from Fight Club comes to mind where he said, like, you might have to accept that if God is real, he simply doesn't like you. And that's an interesting thing that we, our whole relation, like the humanity as a whole, and then our relationship to God is, it's an interesting one because that theme of like, You know, if he was real, then how come he's not like looking after us comes up a lot. Doesn't it? Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, I've taken philosophy 101. Uh, yeah, if you want to, if you ever want to hear like those questions come up, just take like a level one philosophy course at Canterbury University. Because everybody's like, well, actually I have a question. Yeah. And it's all just that. But yeah. And it's all just that. I mean, lyrically, this is, I mean, musically, it's feels a little bit sadder than some of the other songs. Yeah. Lyrically, really great rhymes. Do you think his favorite type of human is Caucasian? Do you reckon he's ever been done for tax evasion? That was a good one. I do remember that one. So, and it's just, it's just, it feels like someone in their twenties being like, I feel I am young and I'm looking around and I think that you're all wrong. Yeah. Which is I think a familiar feeling for people like when you reach adulthood, you get reached that first point of adulthood in your early twenties and you're allowed to think for yourself for the first time and you're like, what are we doing? Oh, so the kind of realization that like really none of us actually have it together, but we assume that- No, well, I guess it's that. It's like, I don't know what I'm doing, but also very strongly. What the fuck are you doing? Right, right, right. And then- It's a very like, yeah, it's a really sad song, actually. I think that's probably why she ends it with this like, kind of positive spin on getting to know her dad after not having him in her life for a while. Yeah. Yeah, the last one was a bit odd because the message that I took from it was sort of like, she said something about she gave him space and she was kind of glad for it because then their relationship improved or something. But I just kind of thought like, that's weird. I think that's one of those songs where I think that song is for her, not for us. Yeah, exactly. Like if it helps her process it better then. Yeah. Power to you, Lily. Sure. So we are sort of coming off. Yeah. That's the album. Any kind of closing thoughts on the last? I guess, um, I think that this album for me, it's, it's lyrically dense, which is incredible because there's a lot of, uh, like vocal ad lib, la in it. So to be lyrically dense, allowing for lots of la la's. Yeah. Um, it's really fun to listen to. It is real, uh, quite brain hurty once you really listen to the lyrics. And I think for me, uh, this album is really ties into my, all of the art that I do in that, uh, I love writing good lyrics. I like writing fun melodies. The irony of a melody and incongruent lyrics is like one of my favorite things. And I think that Lily Allen is an artist with a really strong artistic voice. And I think that's how she was able to do so well, even though she's not a really strong singer, or even particularly a strong musician. Yeah. She's definitely got the whole character. Like she is a character. Do you know what I mean? Like she has a super unique sound, which evidently it can carry you pretty well. Yeah. Are there any like, would you say there are any super direct things that you've kind of not necessarily emulated, but elements of what Lily does? Cause I would say from what I've seen of your standup, it is very, the tone is very positive, but there are some darker themes that you're talking about. Yeah. So I think this is. Yeah. The voice, this voice, this is a really influential voice for me. I think. Um, and. I grew up in a lefty house, but this is a very lefty album, which is like not, it's not often that you get a pop album. That's so, so political now, even like we have them, but this is super, super political and my standup is pretty left leaning and I think when I come back to these, you know, this music in particular, this album in particular, Um, and also her first album, I guess what I see is someone who was, was not actually, she was a singer, but she wasn't full of musical training. She didn't have a bunch of songwriting training. She wasn't the lyrics don't feel like that someone's trying too hard. And I think that's the thing that I take away. And that's the thing that I try to do. I'm not very good at it. I'm very, very good at trying way too hard. I'm always trying to pull back, but that kind of ability to let go and try to be. honest rather than clever. Yeah. Because you can still end up being clever through that honesty. If you put the honesty first, I think people can feel when something has heart as well, and there's a lack of pretend, there's zero pretentiousness and what she does. Yeah. And yeah, I just think people gravitate towards that. Don't they? Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Well, this has been really good. I've really enjoyed it. Um, thank you for giving up your time to do this podcast and it's ended up. It doesn't feel like a sacrifice. Well, that's great. Um, yeah, we'll, we'll kind of wrap it up there, but maybe we could do another one about the Muppets in full if you're feeling up to it at some point, but yeah, and I appreciate your time. Thank you for joining me. Oh, thank you. And we are back again. I hope you enjoyed part two of that conversation once again. As I said at the end of the first one, I was a little concerned about my ability to contribute to the conversation, but I think I did okay. Obviously, Amy had most of the facts and most of the information, and I did my best to comment on and follow along, and I think it ended up being quite a good conversation. Hope you enjoyed that lesson. It was a lot of fun for me to have. As we stated in the part one, it was a Friday evening when we recorded this, of Amy and I's social life, but it was a great way to spend a Friday evening and I have no regrets. We'll probably bring Amy back to talk about the Muppets at another day, but if you would like to follow Amy on the social media, you can find her on all of the social networks at AmyBorLace. She managed to get the same handle for each one, which a very good job, and she left me instructions. Check out the Facebook for events and news. the Instagram for memes and reels and the YouTube for a bi-annual vlog or hairstyling video excuse me it's getting late. Which she says is that twice a year or once every two years the answer is yes. If you need help spelling that Amy Borelace A-I-M-E-E B-O-R-L-A-S-E. I'll leave all the links down in the show notes definitely go check those out if you would like to see more of Amy. As always you can find me on all the socials at TaylorRuddleComedy. I still have no idea if I have decided to bite the bullet and get onto thread at this point as this episode is going to be releasing some weeks into the future so I might be on thread I might not. Go to my Instagram and find out if I am and place your bets in the comments to see if you think I did or I didn't. As always heaps of gigs on. Austin Club on the first and third Thursdays of the month 7pm. Definitely come check it out, the venue. I had a long conversation with the manager of that venue today. They are super stoked to have us doing stand up, and they are going to making us feel super welcome. They want us to be completely integrated into their little systems. I'm really looking forward. I'm feeling really optimistic about the future of that gig. It's in a cozy little spot on the end of High Street. And just in general, that whole area is of huge sentimental value to me as my high school, which is a At the time it was known as Unlimited Paenga Tafiti, was 30 second walk from the entrance to the Austin Club. And then the first room that I like started helping run was called our Kensington Fun House. It was on Manchester Street, which again from the Austin Club is about a two minute walk. It's now being rebranded as like bar 145. I think it's called 185, something like that. And it's like a sports bar. Used to be called the Kensington Fun House. I got so much experience and so much stage time there. and it was just a really special time of my comedy career. So you can imagine I'm really stoked to be back in the Austin Club, that whole area is just full of nostalgia for me and I would love for you to join us in the Laugh Seller and have a few giggles. So once again, thanks for joining us, really appreciate your time and I will check in with you next time, until then, Ruddler out.

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