In this episode I'm joined by a guy I've been a fan of for ages, Kozo Kaos! Kozo is a Wellington-based street performer, Juggler, Magician, Comedian and Vlogger. Kozo is a high octane performer who combines rock n' roll, video games as well as the occult into his unique brand of chaos. In this interview I catch up with Kozo and get to really pick his brain about how to survive as a street performer in NZ, what does a day in his life look like, what does a year in his life look like, what's it like performing around the world in festivals, how to travel on a budget and all that good stuff.
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Welcome back to another episode of Ruddle Me This. I am your host the fresh prince of Belfast, New Zealand Taylor Ruddle First up got a interesting little interesting. I've got a little surprise for you. I have a new microphone I don't know if it sounds any different to the last episode, but yeah, I bought a new microphone for the podcast We are moving on up. I'm investing in the podcast. So I hope my audio sounds better than it did last week I've upgraded from a Yeti Blue Yeti Blue Pro I think it was that I was using for the last several years But those things are just kind of awkward to hold if you don't have a boom arm, so I thought I'll get a little handheld one I've got a little Samsung A14 I believe it is and so far I'm very happy with it So I hope I'm gonna pass the I'm gonna pass the savings directly on you onto you listener I hope it's a hope it's a more pleasant listening experience to your ears In today's episode I am joined by somebody I have been a big fan of for quite a long time so it was really delightful for me to finally get him on the podcast. The guest this week is Kozo Chaos and he is a New Zealand based street performer but he does all sorts of touring all over the world at various festivals and just in general street performances. Kozo and I met a couple of years ago when he was touring around New Zealand with a company called the Kids Day Out Variety Show. And I... thought it would be a good idea to try and perform stand-up comedy on this. So I emailed the producers and said could I do a sort of an audition to see if stand-up would actually work for children and they were game and I met them at the Burnside Aurora Center for their show in Christchurch to have kind of like a little interview. And so I got to see the inner workings of how the tour works and how they set up. and just how it all kind of flows. It was a lot of fun, it was a long day but man it was a cool experience for me to get to take a part of. And to my absolute surprise the stand-up actually went really well. So maybe someday you'll see me as a children's entertainer if this whole performing for adults thing doesn't work out. But like I was saying, Kozo, I've been a big fan of Kozo for a while and I've been wanting to pick his brain about the life of a street performer for so long. There's just so many questions I had about like how do you actually like survive as a street performer so it was cool to find out what a day in Kozo's life looks like, what a year in Kozo's life looks like and just kind of like how he got started, how he sustains himself and just basically how it all runs. It was a really fascinating interview for me. I enjoyed it a lot and I hope you enjoy listening to it too. So with that please welcome to the show my guest for this episode Kozo Chaos. Hello Kozo, welcome to the podcast. Hi, thanks for having me. I've been wanting to do this for a while. We were going to try and queue it up at the last Buskers Fest, but we got a bit busy. Are you doing Buskers this year as well? I haven't heard back, but hopefully I'll be back for it. It's a fun festival, it's really nice. I like Christchurch as well. Excellent. Was that your first time doing it last year? So... I've been a punter for many years and then it's actually a hard festival to get into. Yes, it is very hard. I've applied for many, many years and never got it. And then organizers changed a couple of times in the past few years. But first official was this year. But I kind of did it in trying to figure out what year, not last year, 2021, I think. Because they said- Because a performer didn't like, I don't know what happened, but there was a performer that didn't arrive for the first week. So they had time slots open. And I happened to be in town. So they're like, Hey, do you want to like, perform? So I kind of briefly was involved, like unofficially. Gotcha. Because they, they sort of made it easier. I think they kind of what they really want is international acts. So it's really hard for locals to get in. But then when the pandemic happens. They didn't really have a choice. So they kind of made... Yeah, it was just locals for a while. Yeah, yeah. But I think, yeah, this year they brought in a few internationals and I think next year they want to bring in more. Yeah, that sounds about right. So I think I would have talked about this in the intro because I was a street performer. Is that what your official title would be? Yeah, I'm a little bit of everything. I'm a juggler, I'm a magician, circus performer, street performer. Comedian as well. Yeah, a little bit of comedy, a little bit of stand up from time to time. Yeah. So what for the listeners out there, what I find so fascinating is I've been a fan of Kozo for a long time and I like to live through his, through him vicariously watching his travels overseas. And so I am fairly self-servingly wanting to talk to him about a little bit of the nuts and bolts. I just love to know about kind of what a day. in his life is like and then also what a year in his life is like as a street performer who's working pretty much constantly. So let's go through a day in your life as a street performer. Let's say one when you're based in New Zealand, you're in Wellington at the moment. Yeah I'm based in Wellington. I haven't been home much this year. I've been crazy busy traveling everywhere which is awesome but like a typical day, this is also interesting because like a lot of people have asked me about this. And I actually did a new a vlog about this on my YouTube. Yes. Can watch Cozos YouTube for sure. Yeah. It's for Wellington edition. I'm planning to do one for every like city that I go to regularly as a what it's like sort of day in the life at all. But basically in Wellington, I just do, if I don't have any gigs, um, I just do street shows on the weekends and I'll just hit up the waterfront or Cuba street. Uh, I'll just get there in the morning, like 11, 1130. And then there's usually me and maybe a few other people. It really depends on the day. Everyone's schedule is different. So I'll try and do a couple of shows that day depending on the weather as well. And then I'll be home by probably six o'clock unless I decide to go back out in the evening, do more. But it's kind of unlikely in Wellington because it's not as busy as other cities or other countries. So I just try and do shows on a nice day during the day. So there's this concept that you explained to me a little bit, because Kozo and I met for the first time properly at the kids' day out, and I was attempting to sort of pick their brain a little bit. There's this concept of the draw that normal people might not understand. And how are these... The way it works is you basically all put your name into a hat, and then whoever's name gets drawn, they get the first pick of what time slot they want to do. Is that correct? Yeah. So basically, like most established busking pitch... like for say Melbourne South Bank, there will be a draw at 11am. And everyone knows this. If you don't, you just kind of ask the local performers or whatever. So at 11am, we'll meet up. And then, yeah, it's either you write your name on a piece of paper or in Melbourne, we have coins with numbers on them. We just put it in the hat. There's five people put five points in that's numbered one to five. And we just take turns drawing a coin. If you get number one, you get the first pick. Second gets the second. The last person usually gets two picks to make it fair because you're last, right? And then we go back up the list. So normally there'll be a schedule, like a time slot for each pitch, like 11 a.m. show, 11.45, 12 p.m., whatever. But yeah, every pitch is different, different times. Like Edinburgh is 10 a.m. but there's like a hundred performers to get through. Yeah, that's a lot. Cause you chuck your lanyards into the Edinburgh one, don't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we have to get there by 10am sharp. If you're like 20 seconds late, you missed out. But you put your lanyard in and then it takes like 30 to 45 minutes. There's like six different spots, up to 100 performers. And then you get your one, maybe two if you like, shows for the day. Wow. The I was quite impressed at how structured of a system it was. And this is one thing that's been interesting for me to see. as kind of like a guest looking into the circus in that world is that there's, it's quite organized and it's quite structured. And from what I've seen, it's almost like a very close community. One thing that stuck out to me was when we're doing the setup at the Kids Day Out is everyone had hoodies and stuff of I guess like previous circuses that they'd worked for. Oh, yeah, yeah. If you were just doing like a regular day in Wellington, would you be able to do more than one show or is it just kind of one person one show? Well in Wellington I would average three maybe four shows a day because it'll either just be me or one or two other people that'll come and we just take turns. How long do these shows that you do tend to take? Well, my shows like roughly 30 to 40 minutes and it's the same with other people as well. So like, yeah, I can, if I'm on pitch around 11, 11.30, I can definitely get three shows in before like five or six o'clock. Okay. And do you do the same act each time or do you have like a few different routines that you kind of cycle through when you're doing street shows? So the show itself is the same. Like the tricks are the same, the jokes, all that. But like there's lots of room for improv, you know, and I do improvise a lot. It really depends on like, so I interact with the crowd a lot and my volunteers. So it really depends on the crowd, volunteers I have, so like it can lead to like really great moments and that will change the length of the show and it's also a different show each time in a way. Yes, absolutely. That's a good way to keep it fresh for yourself as well, I imagine. I do sometimes chuck in a new trick. just to test it out. And I have been lately, I have a new fire-eating bit and I'm kind of just testing it out as either a warm-up trick before I start the show or sometimes I'll do it near the end of the show as a, hey, I have a bonus trick, you guys wanna see it. But I'll try and see what the crowd is like and if they're into it, maybe I'll show it off. But really, yeah, it's been fun. We could tell the audience what your specialty is juggling while you're standing on a free standing ladder. I guess is that the best way to describe it to the audience? Yeah, free standing ladder. Best way to describe it is like I'm kind of still walking the ladder. Yeah, exactly. And so that I imagine is your closing trick, is that right? Yeah, that's my finale. The final trick, I either juggle fire or knives. And like when you were building your act, is that, I guess the question is, it's a bit like with your building your setlist as a comedian, you have jokes in there that are like from, you know, I have jokes that I've been doing 10 years ago and I've been doing it 10 years, 8, 9 years kind of thing. How long did it take you to put together your current act? Was it fully formed when you started doing it? Or did you kind of take bits and pieces and refine it and cut the bits that weren't working and stuff like that? What was your process like? for coming up. Yeah. So most street performers when they start, they'll see someone and get inspired and their show would look or sound a lot like their show. And my show definitely did. Like it had bits of like different performers in the show because I didn't know who I was or what I was doing. I had my own tricks, but I was like, okay, I heard this joke from this guy. It was funny. I'll use that here. This guy's joke or that. But over time, you want to like take those out and then change it. But also in the street performing world, there's a thing called stock lines. And this is something a lot of comedians don't know about, but it's pretty much like a joke that someone made many years ago and then became famous for it. And then someone stole it. And then another one stole it. And then people just kept stealing it. And it just became like a stock joke that everyone kind of generally uses. I think in stand-up we call those street jokes. Yeah, that's what I heard. Yeah, street jokes. And in the street performer world, is it frowned upon at all to use them or are they kind of looked at as like public domain jokes for lack of a better word? It kind of depends. Like I think using stock lines are okay, but like people, like for me, I use a few stock jokes on my show, but I've changed the delivery or like I've added a tagline to them. or like I've slightly tweaked it to try and make it my own. So it's not like a direct steal, if that makes sense. Absolutely. Like if I hear you do a stock joke, like in this sort of setup, the way you deliver it, all that, and I try and do it the same way, it clearly shows that I took it from you. Right. So like, I think it's okay to use stock jokes, but you want to do it in your own way. Yeah. Does that make sense? With MCing, there's only so many ways you can do jokes about like, you know, if you're doing all the admin stuff before a show, you tell the audience the emergency exit is here. And then you've always got to have a joke about like, if there's an earthquake, we're screwed. Or do you know what I mean? Like, yes. So I think, yeah, I think that kind of thing is fine. I've seen so many magicians do the line of giving someone a hat and then saying, do you have head lice? And they go, no. And they go, you do now. Like, I do something like with COVID where I... gave someone the mic or something and said, you don't have COVID do you? And they're like, no. And I was like, oh, sorry. You know, like certain little things like that. As long as you're not hanging your hat on them and that's not like, yeah. And like, it really depends on the person as well. Some people, some performers will use stock jokes and then they'll be like, oh no, I couldn't steal it off you or whatever. Or like they say their show is original, but it's not. Like it really is like. the performers well, like I openly admit I have stock jokes in my show. If I have a joke that I stole from someone, I'll be like, yeah, I took it from that guy. But then I asked him later if I can use it. He's OK with it. So it's all that as well. Yeah, there's a big thing with originality and stand up is a lot of stand ups won't watch stand ups because they want to be they want to be original. But I think that's. strange because we can kind of get into music and stuff. You're a big music guy and I think a lot of your persona and a lot of your character is based on you kind of wear your influences on your sleeve quite a bit and that's one thing I found strange about stand-up is people like are almost like ashamed to admit their influences but if you listen to musicians talking all they talk about because I'm a big fan of the band Ghost and Tobias who like created Ghost he will openly say his band Ghost is 50% Uriah Heap and 50% Blue Oyster Cult. And like, yeah, I don't know. I just, I find that strange that comedians are so weird. Yeah, I think it's fine to be inspired by other people, but like, unless you're actually copying them. Yeah. It's like, oh yeah, I like this comedian, but you know, like it's bad if you're using their jokes. Yeah, you don't wanna use their jokes. You wanna be inspired by their styles or like, you know, like if you like Jimmy Carr, you don't wanna steal Jimmy Carr's jokes, but like. want to be influenced or inspired by him or whatever. Absolutely. So like when you were talking about before, you didn't really know who you are, I think you've got quite a strong persona, like your branding is really on point. What kind of things are your biggest influences when it comes to your character? Man, for me, it's weird because obviously I have a street formal tattoo that inspired me and I'm influenced by. But a lot of my inspiration comes from bands. I've always wanted to be in a band, but I don't play any instruments, I can't sing. But when I perform and travel, I feel like I'm a band. So I've got my branding with my logos and my merch and stuff, and I've got my style going on. And I'm also inspired by lots of comedians as well. Really? What kind of comics inspire you? Um, I really love Noel Fielding. Oh, yeah. But yeah, one half of a mighty bush. I've watched Noel stuff since I was a kid and like, I just love the weird observed stuff and like his character work is amazing. It is, isn't it? Um, you're in terms of your musical, you and I, I don't know a lot of people that listen to Hailstorm, but you're quite a big fan of Hailstorm. I love Hailstorm. Yeah. Um, yeah, I've seen them twice live now. I've actually met the band, which is amazing. That's very cool. Yeah. But yeah, like I love Hellstorm, but I have not used their music for my shows. I feel like it doesn't fit me. Well, I haven't found the right song. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I guess that's another element to what you do is you can use music to like set the tone quite well, which with Stand Up, we, I mean, I've seen people use music before, but. That is quite interesting, actually. What are some of your favorite bands to use for your performances? Because I know you had one that was like Cammie's theme from Street Fighter. Yeah. Hard rock cover of that. Yeah. So that's from a YouTuber that I follow. Redrick Haber, something. He's like a German guy, but he does like lots of rock covers of like, yeah, yeah. Anime and gaming music. And when I heard that, I thought, oh, I got to use that. And like when people get it, it's amazing. They come up and go, hey, you use the Kami theme song. Because that's another aspect to your personality that's maybe not as on, it's not as upfront as the rock influences, but you're quite into, well, because you are Japanese, aren't you? Yeah, I am Japanese, born and raised in New Zealand. You, I think I left a comment on one of your YouTube videos about an Android 16 from Dragon Ball Z. Yeah. The one you had in your room. Yeah. Do you incorporate a lot of that side of things into your act? Yeah. See, like the thing, like when I was first starting out, I had a lot of like anime references in my show, which I love. But like, anime wasn't huge 10 years ago or whatever. So like, people didn't get it. But these days... I can cause people like if I do a Dragon Ball Z reference, not everyone will laugh, but I'm getting the people that know Dragon Ball Z, you know, they'll laugh. And then I will be like, Oh cool. You're a Dragon Ball Z fan. And then I do like Pokemon references and like I've started doing a One Piece joke lately cause One Piece is big now. Everyone knows the anime and especially the Netflix live action. Like a lot of like laymen know about it now. So like I've been, I had a joke. but it wasn't working, so I took it out. But then I brought it back into my show recently because of the Netflix episodes, I was like, okay, people know Wonpil. So I chucked the joke back in and it's getting more of a laugh than it was before. I love it. I have a joke that people have seen me say this before, but I have a joke about on Halloween, dressing up as Piccolo from Dragon Ball Z, but being mistaken for Shrek. And it can be- Nice. It can be a 50-50 because like most people like are we, I'm 31, are we a similar age? Yeah, I am the same age. Yeah, so okay, so we would have grown up watching pretty much exactly the same things on TV probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the interesting thing is when I did the tour with David, his audience was a lot younger and it's the only time that just referencing Piccolo has gotten a big laugh out of the audience. A slight snicker and maybe some people nodding but um... Yeah. You're right, as people, it's a nice way to ask. That's also fun. You wanna do jokes, like nice jokes for certain people, but also for yourself as well. Exactly, exactly. It's, and I can make the joke work where if they don't know the character, I just say, he's a green muscular alien with weird ears, so just picture that on me. And then people get, they know enough about the joke to get like, okay, yes, he would be mistaken for Shrek. It dressed as that. Yeah, yeah. So that's kind of your... your influences. Something else that's quite interesting that I noticed about the street performer is, I think you might do this in regular shows, but when you were in Edinburgh, you would do these like trio shows where you kind of team up with other performers and come up with like a new name for the act. Like you have one with some guys where you do Three Ninjas? Yeah, so the Ninjas show kind of started last year and we did a little bit in Melbourne this It's basically my good friends Hiroshi, Mako and Yuya. They're Japanese street performers but we all travel so we're always in the same place around the world. We'll always meet in Edinburgh, we'll always meet in Melbourne and Adam Adelaide as well. But it's basically when we do the group show, it means it's going to be a bad time slot. Basically there'll be a time slot and then no one wants to do it. or one of us has it booked and we go, I don't want to do my solo show. You guys want to do a group show. That's really fun. And it's less effort, right? Yes, absolutely. Then sometimes they become really good because there's four of us, right? Trying to do something and it builds a crowd and people go, what are these guys doing? There's like four Asian people just like kneeling on the ground. What are they doing? You know, and it's always fun for us. I really like it. Cause your joy translates to the audience, doesn't it? And exactly because like we're not we're not thinking about, you know, like trying to get like a good hat or like we're not trying to like gather a big crowd. We just say, oh, we just want to like knock around, try these tricks and just have fun. Yeah, I love that. I think it's really cool how you can guys can collaborate. Do you do you have to do a lot of rehearsing or is it the kind of thing when you put it together on the fly and you just kind of say to each other like, OK, this is this trick I can do. This is this trick we can sort of like. cobble something together from that or yeah, how does it work? The first time we did the Ninja show, there was no rehearsals at all. We just been, okay, what can we do in the show? We'll start with this, right? You do the handstand warmup. I'll do my juggling routine. We'll do this routine and then the finale is this. And then we just do it. So like the first show was messy, obviously. Yeah. But then we got the rhythm and then like, cool, we kind of have a show that's kind of formed. I love it. That's amazing. Yeah. Was that a reference to those children movies with the kids with the Japanese grandfather who taught them like ninjutsu? There is a movie called Three Ninjas, right? Yeah, I watched it recently. Yeah. It was a meme that was just about like 90s kids have your personality shaped by two or three random movies that your family just happened to have on VHS. And that was definitely a massive one when I was a kid, was watching these Three Ninjas ones. When I saw the name was Three Ninjas, I was like, I wonder if that's a reference to those names. Exactly not. But I later did realize, which you reminded me, but I don't even know how we came up with the name. We didn't have a name, I think. And it's four of you. Something different, originally. Yeah, it was four of us. And then when we first did the show, we were doing like a little introduction and we didn't know what our name was. So we made something up on the spot. I mean, later on, we're like, hey, what's our group name? We're just like, oh, four ninjas. Yeah. which has been five ninjas at one point. Oh, yes, and then this change. And then two ninjas was the worst show we've done. Two ninjas did not work. You need like a critical mass of three ninjas for it to be a kind of- Yeah, three or more works well. Yeah. That's also a very ninja-like tactic to have four people, but tell everyone it's three in case you get ambushed or something, you can kind of be like a guy in the wings. Yeah. Were you ever a Naruto guy growing up? I have seen a little bit of the anime when it started, but then at some point I stopped. I can't remember when. It's funny because... It's the same as Bleach. I was watching it, I was really into it and then stopped. I think it's this funny generation of skip where a lot of people our age watched Dragon Ball Z, kind of skipped Naruto, but then One Piece brought them back into watching anime again. So for some reason... Naruto is just that strange in between kind of forgotten, forgotten sibling that people don't tend to. I think the last time we were, I think maybe it was at that kids day, you said you were watching Demon Slayer? Nah, that's, that might've been Zap. Oh, it could have been. Yeah. Not me. Nah. I did a second anime. Oh yeah. He's super into it. Like when Dragon Ball Super was on, we were both watching it every week and then we'll talk about it at like the juggle meetup. I did not expect that at all. So Zach, the performer is zachtacular. You can check him out on Instagram, I think. I believe I follow him. It's great to see him. Is he in Germany still? No, he's back in New Zealand now. He's back in Auckland. I'm gonna catch up with him next week, actually. Awesome. And yeah, we both watch one episode of this. Do you think he would do an episode of this? Oh, maybe, yeah, he could be potentially interested. I'll send him a message, because his adventures over in Germany might be quite good to talk about. So. We've kind of gone through your day and then so you kind of work for about seven hours or something like that and then kind of from a day. Yeah, yeah, I think 11. Yeah, roughly seven hours. Yeah, I guess. So then the other thing that I find quite fascinating is all the travel that you do. I know the Edinburgh Festival is kind of like a pillar of your year. You tend to do that every year and. Yeah. By the look of it, I think you wouldn't have to go into figures, but it seems like financially street performers do quite well out of it, whereas typically comedians tend to go into a lot of debt to do the bridge. Do you find that it works out quite well for you like that? Yeah, I think going as a street performer, in a way, the costs are lower. I'm only paying for my flights to get there and my accommodation. I don't have a registration fee or a venue fee or any other marketing fees involved. Yeah. But as for like an indoor show or comedian, you have to pay for marketing, you have to pay for your venue, your registration, all that, which can add up real easily. Do you do any flyering when you're doing street shows in Edinburgh? Because you kind of, you kind of are the flyer when you're on the street doing your performances and people kind of know where all the pitches are. Is that right? Well, we don't. One of the rules for street performing in Edinburgh, you're not allowed a flyer. Really? So like. If you're a street performer that has an indoor show, you're not allowed to play your own show. So yeah, because the street show time slots are for street shows. And the street shows are part of street events in Edinburgh. So that's along the Royal Mile and the mound. It's like street activation. So it's an event within an event. Gotcha, yeah. So you just take that time and also. Yeah, I've noticed what a lot of people do is, once we're finished. right and they're collecting their donations they go by the way I have an indoor show there's a bunch of flyers just on the ground next to the speaker you know they just they're not handing it out in a way it's just sitting there and you just let people take it so there is a little loop hole yeah we were talking about I came to you for some advice to do uh how to do digital tips um for a koha show that we're running which is the laugh sellout everyone who listens to the podcast will know about this. Have you noticed a shift in that people not carrying cash anymore for street performers or do you still get quite a lot of coins and things like that in your hands? Definitely post pandemic it has shifted quite a bit because a lot of places have started going cashless and because the busking donation system we use is bus.co and it's a great system. And it's basically, you have a QR code. I mean, when people scan it, it loads up a payment page. And because of New Zealand and Australia, they use QR codes during lockdown and pandemic, right? Yeah. You can either check in to places or whatever. People here are familiar with QR codes now. So it's helped a lot. Unlike the UK, like London, QR codes don't work. People don't really understand it. So over there, it's better to use like a card machine. But when I'm over here in the Southern Hemisphere, I just use my QR code. People are like, oh, just scan it. Boom, easy. That was a joke that I did in my COVID joke special was saying that was one of the few silver linings to the pandemic was that people know how to use a QR code now. So that's really interesting. So I just see we've got about 10 minutes left. So let's get through some of your years. So you. you do the Edinburgh every year. Do you have any other pillars throughout your year that you tried? Because I know you go to, is it Melbourne or Sydney? Yeah Melbourne, I just really like Melbourne. I used to live there but I love performing in Melbourne and I love the city itself so I try and visit whenever I can and I'm actually going back for like December to start my summer tour which is going to be really cool. What is your summer tour, whereabouts are you kind of heading for that? It's pretty chill this year, like the Southern Hemisphere summer. This year is Melbourne for December, January, and then like end of January. If I end up doing one of the buskers fest in New Zealand, I'll come and do that. And then February, March is Adelaide Fringe. And is that February and March? Is that like a month long festival there? Yeah, Adelaide Fringe is five weeks long. It's pretty long. That's huge. Yeah, that's longer than the Ed Fringe. Yeah, it is. Yeah. So with the Adelaide Fringe, that's the same kind of thing where you're just doing street shows every day. Yeah, so. You have the draw and everything like that, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we have the draw. There's two draws, one of the morning for like Rundle Mall where the normal daytime shows happen. And then from Friday to Sunday, they close the roads. They're like, we have the festival hubbers, like with the garden and like gluttonies, they close the intersections and all the streets. So they have like. restaurants and food store the market set up and two busking pitches. So that's right. It all happened at 430 Yes, I think I've seen the evening shows. I think I've seen you're kind of in like a four-way intersection doing your spots I feel like I've seen videos. Yeah doing that. Yeah, yeah, really cool. There's two spots two spots off the intersection One's definitely better than the other. Mm-hmm so when you go to stay and like if you're just doing like a month in Melbourne the accommodation probably really hits you hard like do you have like a I don't know, like how do you swing that? Like, do you have like someone that you know that you can just like rent a room from for a month? Or just get a stay? Yeah, so in Melbourne, I have like two friends that I can go to and be like, hey, can I stay with you? Like they have a spare room, but if that doesn't work, I'll just find like an Airbnb or whatever. And like if I have other performer friends in town as well, be like, hey, do you want to split costs, find a place which works out really well and cheaper? Yeah, cause that's the thing that we noticed with running out to all was that like, if you want to get a hostel, that's okay for like, it's about a hundred bucks or something like that, but it's kind of, you get what you pay for. The conditions are not ideal. But then you book like a nice motel and you'll actually have parking and you have your own bathroom and stuff like that. But then that's two or three times as expensive to book out. Yeah. Like I found some nice hostels in certain places where I go, okay, I can stay there for. week or two if I need to. So like if I can't stay at a friend's place or if I don't want to pay for an Airbnb or it's too expensive I'll be like okay cool I'll stay at this hostel it's good it's cheap I'll just go there. Yeah that makes sense because there's a big the whole I imagine with the internet and stuff now that's a one big community for street performers like if you were going to I know you did some shows in Japan I followed you did some vlogs on your YouTube channel I think. Yeah. When you were doing that, did you reach out to any local community that you could find? Or did you just sort of have to turn up and then and then kind of? Yeah, I'll just reach out to my like juggler friends or street performer friends and be like, hey, I'm coming to town. Like, what's the where's the pitch? What's the rules? What I need to do to the show or that? Yeah. Just ask people. Yeah. That's really cool. Are there any countries you haven't visited that you really want to? Yeah. Well, I really wanted to go to Germany this year because like when my friend Zach was in Berlin, I wanted to go visit and then, you know, work Berlin and just hang out. It didn't quite work out. I kind of ran out of time because like after Edinburgh, I pretty much went to London for a week and then I've been, oh, maybe I'll come back to New Zealand. And then I really wanted to do Canada as well. It would be awesome. Yeah, for sure. When you're doing a big city like London, is that because I think The way street performing works is certain places need to be approved for you to do a street show there or is it kind of so long as it works, you can do a street show there. Yeah, yeah, most places you need to get a license through the council. Sometimes it's easy. Sometimes if you're doing like a dangerous act with fire and knives or whatever, you have to do an audition. So for a Melbourne license, I auditioned and I have a dangerous prox permit. I'm all approved. And my one lasts for five years. That's all right. Well, the dangerous permit lasts for five years, but the actual busking license is per year. Oh, okay. So you have to renew it each year, but it's easy. You just do it online. But like places like London, it's all like, it's run by the performers there. So like you need to be, you need to know people. can be recommended. So like, if you're rocking up, if you have people there that know you, they'll be like, oh cool, yeah, you can come and work. But if they have no idea who they are, they'll be like, okay, you maybe do a show, just to like kind of prove you can do a show or you're not crazy or whatever. Yeah, that's always, I imagine, a bit of trepidation when someone new turns up and they're like, I'm gonna juggle fire and all that sort of thing. You never know what's gonna happen there. Oh, that's brilliant. So then I guess we'll just wrap it up. We've got about four minutes left. I don't know exactly when this is going to come out, but you said you're going to be in Adelaide in December and January, is that right? That's Melbourne. So I'll be in Melbourne for December, January and then Adelaide Bringe for February and March. Awesome. And then your YouTube channel is just Kozo Chaos, I think. Yeah, it's just Kozo Chaos. Yeah, I'm on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram. All of those things. You've also got your juggle skull t-shirts and I think you're selling hoodies now, right? Yeah, I did a limited run of hoodies. Maybe I'll do another order soon. I'm not too sure, but hoodies are, they cost more to make. They're so expensive. So yeah, but I have t-shirts, I have stickers and I've got patches on the way soon. So like is for like a battle jacket kind of thing? Yeah, you know, like a classic like iron on patch. Brilliant. One of my favorite things to do is whenever I find one of your skull stickers around I usually send a photo of it to you. Yeah that's cool. There's a couple around Price Church. Yeah there's a couple. Yes yeah I've seen a few of them there. Okay well that's been really interesting. I appreciate you giving out your time. It was a really good interview for me. Do you have any closing words or anything else you want to get out there before we Well, I don't know if you want to find out more about me, just follow me on my socials at KozoChaos. Definitely do that. Alright, thank you very much. Awesome, thank you. And we are back! Welcome back guys. Hope you enjoyed that interview with Kozo as much as I enjoyed having it. It was a fantastic experience for me to finally get to pick his brain about all those aspects of being a street performer that I've been wanting to ask him for a long time. I'll chuck all the Kozo's links into the description below and the show notes whatever you want to call them. So definitely go and check him out. I think he's trying to focus on his YouTube page right now so go and check out his YouTube page Kozokaios on YouTube. He posts Pretty much daily clips, so if you're into juggling and street performing and the sort of mayhem that goes on when you're putting on a street show, definitely check that out. I've subscribed to Kozo. As for me, as always, at TaylorOdellComedy on all the social media platforms, if you want to support the show and help me reach more listeners, give me a little cheeky review on the Apple Store or the Spotify Store. Either of those helps me out a great deal, as I think the more reviews you get, the more it gets put into people's... feeds and so that helps me get more listeners. I'll get into this a little bit more in the State of the Rainbow 2023 review, but the podcast I was kind of looking at the numbers before, seeing what kind of growth we have achieved in the almost year that I've been running it, and it was really encouraging growth. I think as of like 10 months in, I had grown the numbers by about 300% on the month. So that's really encouraging. I'm hoping that it continues into 2024. And I'd love it if the numbers could grow another 300% in 2024, because that would basically push me right into the area that I need to get into to start monetizing my podcast, which would be amazing for me. That'd be a dream come true. So if you love the podcast and you'd like to help me make it into my main like thing that I do to make money throughout the week. Tell a friend about it, recommend a friend episodes, leave a review, just do anything you can to help me spread it around, share my posts on social media, all that kind of thing there that just helps it push it in front of new people. What else have I got coming up? So as always the quiz on Tuesday night at Brighties Bar and Bistro in Christchurch, the quiz on Wednesday night at Moi Moi, Thursday night Laugh Sala, we've had a slight update to Laugh Sala since the last time, from the 7th of December which is this week. we are actually going to be charging $10 entry to get into that. Uh, it was not a decision I wanted to make, but it was unfortunate that I was just hemorrhaging money, trying to make that show happen, paying for the advertising. Um, I spent about three or four hours a week doing the promo, doing the booking on then on top of that actually putting on the show. And it was just taking up too much of my week and then turning over nothing in terms of money. So we figured we'll just make it a ticketed entry. The core heart entry was awesome to be able to offer a gig to people that maybe weren't swimming and disposable income, but it just wasn't really paying off to the extent that we thought it would. We were hoping the people that could afford to pay more would pay more and that would kind of balance out for the people that couldn't pay, but it really just wasn't, it wasn't working so we're going to make it a flat $10 to everybody who enters and that will basically guarantee the future of that gig. It'll be a lot more sustainable going forward and I'll be able to hopefully get some bigger names when they're visiting Christchurch to pop in and do a spot at the Laugh Seller. So while I'm sad to say we can't offer it as a Call Heart entry anymore, I think it's going to be much better for the future of the gig charging $10 entry. So one last little announcement for this week and then I'll let you get back to your week, sorry, is I am going to be reviving an old show of mine, I suppose, if you will. that I used to do back in 2018. And it's gonna be dropping this Wednesday on the same, the normal podcast. It's basically just gonna be a bonus episode of the podcast. And it is essentially just a revival of a brand that I used to use back in 2018 when I first got back to New Zealand from Japan. And I used to do some interviews with the local comedians. I won't say too much more about it now, I just wanted to let you know that there's going to be a bonus episode dropping this week, so look out for that in your podcast players. And I hope you enjoy it when it comes out. I'm really excited to record the first episode of it, probably straight after this. So keep your eyes peeled and I really hope you enjoy it. As always, thank you so much for listening to this episode. I hope you got something out of it. I hope, yeah, just hope you enjoyed it. I hope it enriched your week in some way. And, uh... Yeah, thank you so much for listening to the podcast as always. I'll catch up with you in a couple of days for the new bonus episode and then Ruddler Me This will be back next Monday for another delightful interview. Catch you on the flip side, Ruddler out.