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Good morning friends, welcome back to Ruddle Me This. I am your host as always, the Prince of Dorkness, Taylor Ruddle. I hope you had a fantastic weekend and I hope you've got a really exciting week to come. I've got a great interview for you this session. Today I'm going to be joined by Renee Church who is a Auckland based comedian and a pretty good friend of mine. Little introduction for Renee. Described as clever, relatable and wise beyond her years, Renee Church is making her mark on the Auckland comedy scene. Quick on her feet and coming in at a massive five foot tall, Renee's comedy takes a cynical yet uplifting view on being a young woman in the modern age. Renee is a very funny standup comedian, she's an excellent writer and she has been doing quite a bit of writing for television in New Zealand. I don't know how much I'm allowed to say cause it's a... I don't really exist in that world, but if you've watched a lot of the comedy kind of TV shows in New Zealand You've probably seen some of Renee's work. I've known Renee for a few years now And one thing that sticks out to me is Renee has always been very kind to me, which She didn't really have any reason to be which I think speaks to her the quality of her character today we are going to be discussing the band the Beatles which is I think it was Renee's favourite band, she grew up listening to it and all that kind of thing. So I thought I'd bring her on the podcast to talk about it as I, to be honest, am not really that familiar with the Beatles. My parents were more like country music people growing up so I was never really exposed to it as a kid and therefore my knowledge is pretty lacking. I have however done a lot of research on their kind of rise or where they started out and The stuff that fascinated me the most was their trip to Hamburg. Many years ago a comedian called James Fitz, he was a, he wasn't from Christchurch but he was in the Christchurch scene for a little bit. He was telling me about this idea he had to do some street performance for stand up. He was thinking about the idea of just pitching up on a street corner and doing stand up shows for eight hours or something. And this idea always kind of stuck with me because the way he pitched it to me was he told me about the Beatles and that they were playing these eight hour long shows in Hamburg at the club that they were working at. And with stand-up comedy, if you're an open mic level comedian, you're getting like, what, 10 minutes of stage time throughout the week if you're lucky. Whereas he said if you were doing a street show, that's like eight hours worth of stand-up, your stage time, sorry. and he kind of tied that back into the whole idea of the 10,000 hours model and that was kind of what he said is that's where the Beatles got their 10,000 hours from. So even though I haven't really known a lot about the Beatles, I've always been kind of fascinated by them and this was a great opportunity to talk about that. Before we get into the interview, I'd like to start a new trend on this podcast of playing something funny or doing some jokes, something like that, give you a little bit of entertainment before the interview starts. Not that the interviews are not going to be entertaining. I've just felt a little bit... Not in a rut as such, but I just felt a little bit strange just doing a very quick intro and then get all the plugs in after the interview and then kind of signing off. I want to give you a little more value for the time you spend listening to the podcast. So what I'm about to play for you is an idea that I had and tried to make it work as a piece on stage, but it never really quite worked. And maybe you'll be able to see why when you hear it. So I won't give you any kind of context, I'm just going to play it. This is some audio editing I did last week. Hope you enjoy it. Roll the tape, me. Did you know that back in World War II, Winston Churchill actually started his own radio broadcast to the people of Britain in order for him to be able to keep in touch with them throughout the war effort? I think this is a really cool example of a leader adopting a new technology and using it to communicate with the people of his country during a crisis. But it did get me thinking, does that mean that Winston Churchill is kind of the first fat white guy with a podcast? 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I didn't really know where to stick it in the podcast, but I figured, well, Renee's last name is Church. Churchill, you know, seemed as fitting of a place as anywhere else, right? All right. Well, now that that's done, let's get on with the interview. Please welcome to the show, Renee Church, everybody. Hello Renee, welcome to the podcast. Hello, thank you for having me. You're very welcome. This quite possibly could be the longest time we've interacted kind of in person the whole time we've known each other. To be honest, yeah, probably, yeah. Geez, when did we meet? A few years ago, it was at a roast battle, wasn't it? See, because we did that roast battle and I'm honest, I can't remember you there. I think I do remember you there, but I'm so sorry. Because... I just, I don't remember there was a lot going on. Yeah. I'm sure you were there and I believe you. I was knocked out like immediately. So, uh, didn't really make an impression, I guess. But, um, so that would have been what? Was that when I was judging? I think you were judging. Yeah. Oh, no, actually you did, um, you did perform because I remember one of the jokes is you called Chester low iron man. And that stuck with me like this whole time, which is a great joke. That's right. That was crazy. Me. Oh. I think we're back. Crazy. Okay, we're back. I hope that's still- We start from the beginning. I think I can get that in the edit. So I'll just edit that chunk out. Okay, cool. But then after that roast battle, we collectively defeated Craig at that other roast battle. We were putting our heads together and writing some jokes there. Absolutely. That was incredible. That was so fun. I, yeah, I did, I did win. I came second in that whole thing. Nice. I was so into it though. Like I was just like, I've really missed doing roast battles. So, and I kind of felt bad. I think I wrote Craig a like a poem afterwards cause I was like, I'm sorry. Here are things I like about you. That's the fine line with roast battles is you can't be too mean. Um, but yeah, so that's a little bit of our history. So today we're going to be talking about the Beatles. Um, I don't know a ton about the Beatles. I wasn't really raised on their music. but I know a few things about them. So they're from Liverpool. Mm-hmm, that's it. And they, the band, the venue, excuse me, that they sort of came up and was the Cavendish Club, right? Yes, yes. What else do I know about the Beatles? There's four of them, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, and what's the fourth guy called? George Harrison. There was a couple of them, weren't they? One of them died really early, right? Yes, yes, one of them, two of them are dead. to live in real life. One of them dies early, one of them dies, I mean, it was like 20 years ago, but later. Yeah. Okay. So I know that about them. They all, they kind of split up and all sort of went on to do their own musical things, didn't they? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Is there one that was sort of the more, because the one that got shot was John Lennon, wasn't it? Mm hmm. He was shot in 1980. He was 40. So they broke up in 1970. Um, and then they all did this solo thing that like that 10 years when they're all alive, they're just doing solo a bit of conflict as well. I think after the, the breakup, um, yeah. So he was, he was shot in 1980 and then George Harrison died of lung cancer in 2001. Yeah. Was, um, was he sort of the famousists? That's not a word. The most famousists. The Famousest Beetle. That might be the name of the episode actually, The Famousest Beetle. The Famousest Beetle. I like that. I think he was. He was the most outspoken. Yeah. He was kind of a, like John and Paul were the leaders of the band really. Yeah. I think they had the biggest egos, but John was kind, he was my favourite for like when I got into them. And he was definitely the most kind of controversial in the next 10 years of his life. He was the most like outspoken. He was very outspoken about like animal welfare and stuff, wasn't he? We are just like peace and love and like, I don't even know. It was a lot of just like activism. Yeah, that's sort of speaking. That kind of avant-garde thing. Cause he ended up dating Yoko on it, right? And she was an avant-garde artist. They met on the internet as well, but they were just like powerhouse. I think my internet is really... Yeah, she's crazy. She's great. She's crazy. Can you just say that last line about them being married? I think my internet's fucking. Oh, it could be. So they were married, they were married, and they had a kid as well. She's crazy. She's cool, but she's crazy. Yeah. Okay, so that's a little bit about The Beatles. I'm trying to, I'm doing my best to keep this to a timeline with what I know about them. So they started out in Liverpool, and then I know they went to Germany, and that was kind of when they got good. Yeah, so they went there, this was before Ringo was in the group. He ended up joining the band in Germany and he was also from Liverpool. But they had another drummer called Pete Best, who is like notorious, he got kicked out so that Ringo could join and it was kind of the biggest tragedy of like, you just feel so sorry for Pete Best. But they went off to German to just, you know, try it out, try get somewhere, try do the thing. Um, and they would play the cabin club that do like, you know, 10 hour shifts a day, just playing a night, you know, like they really, they put in there a thousand hours, you know, which I think is why they were so good by the time they got famous as they were just doing it. Yeah. Because I remember hearing, I've listened to sporadic, um, interviews about them and stuff, and I remember that, yeah, when they went to Germany and then got back, they were just like so much tighter in terms of like, I guess, timings and stuff like that for their, their songs and everything. Um. The, I remember reading Summer as well, that's where they kind of learned to perform because they were doing like 10 hour shows. They kind of had to bring the energy up and it taught that kind of forced them to learn how to be performers. Yeah, for real. And I think that's so invaluable to have. It was such an insane lifestyle that they lived as young, young men. Yeah. And by, yeah, by the time that I got there, they were just so experienced and like. Once they got... You know, for many other things in your life, it also pays to just have all of that behind you as well. Yeah. Once they got back to the UK, was it a long time before they kind of blew up? I don't... I can't really... See, these facts I used to know off the top of my head, but they... I think the early 60s was them in Hamburg and then 1963 was when their first album came out and they kind of hit it big. Oh, okay. So I think it was long after they had come back and they sort of probably just met Brian Epstein, their manager, and just kind of had it. And Brian was real, really savvy. You know, like he had a real vision and I think was part of the reason why he got them there. Yeah, of course. But yeah, I don't think it was long after they came back. They sort of just came back and just hit the ground running. Wow, that's great. Well, the other thing I was going to say about the Beatles is they Like we mentioned the whole, um, Lennon McCarthy thing, those two being the kind of, um, were they the two songwriters in the band? Yeah. So there was real, a lot of, um, there's a lot of like lore about Beatles in terms of like Paul and, Paul and John write the music. George was writing a lot, but they weren't really letting him get in with his songwriting. Like it was a real, like he was kind of just, he was writing these songs. He just couldn't do anything with them. And Ringo and George would have like one or two songs on the album, each album. Yeah. And then when they finished up in 1970, George was also had been working on his own solo album in the years coming up to that. And so he released All Things Must Pass, which is like, it's like a two disc album full of songs he just back stocked with what he had written. Well, that's industrious of him. Get on him. Yeah. It's a great album too, but he was just like... just absolutely fangin' to release this stuff for years. I can imagine, eh? It was a bit like I was watching, we just did the episode about Kiss. I'm not sure if that's released or not yet with Craig, but we were talking about how, what were they, the Gene and Paul were kind of the, the Lenin McCartney of the Kiss. And I remember seeing a concert where they let Ace Freely sing for something, and it just seemed like, whoa. They're letting him do that. Like, yeah. So I imagine it was, I think a lot like that for, for Georgia Ringo. Yeah. Um, for sure. Just letting them have a song. I always loved her on the Simpsons. Marge's favorite Beatle was Ringo and it was quite awesome the way she'd like write letters to him and stuff. Have you seen? He's so wholesome though. He's so wholesome. Have you seen that video of him? Um, he's. I forget what he's telling. I think he's telling people to stop sending him a fan mail or stop sending him stuff in the mail or something. Yeah. And he opens his like, no more autographs. He's like, hey, peace and love everyone. Peace and love. Please stop sending me autographs. You know, whatever. He didn't want to sign autographs. Is that what he was saying? Yeah. Well, so the whole thing with John Lennon being shot is that, and if there are any Beatle fans out there. I recommend watching this biopic, it's called The Killing of John Lennon. And I watched it when I was 15. So I actually can't confirm whether it's still good, but when I was 15, I watched it and I was like, this is amazing. It's slightly 15. But it's yeah, I thought it was great then, but it was a biopic just about Mark Chapman, who was John Lennon's killer, who just the lead up of why he did it and he like was kind of obsessed with John Lennon and he was obsessed with, he read The Catcher in the Rye and he was obsessed with people who were phony and how they should be. brought justice and then he sees John Lennon being a phony. Cause he would, you know, the lyric in imagine where it's like, imagine no possession, but he's like, you have yachts and like estates and stuff, you're a phony. So he kind of got obsessed. He was obviously really mentally disturbed. He got really obsessed with John Lennon and he'd be right outside his hotel. And then he, the night before he killed him, he like, there's a picture of John signing an autograph for him. He's like a picture of it. And then the next day he like shoots him. Um, and so I think after that Ringo was like, I don't want to sign all the clamps for people anymore, which is fair. Yeah, that's, that's fair. It's an occupational hazard. But the thing that was so funny to me about the video is the way he's like, he uses peace and love like about eight times in the video and it sounds almost threatening the way he says it like, peace and love everyone, peace and love. No autographs. Thank you. Peace and love. And he was like, okay, Ringo, settle down. It's so good. Eh, it's so good. Presumably the last two Beatles, are they still, um, they're still performing? Yeah, for sure. I've seen both of them. So I saw Ringo in 2012, 2013, um, which was really good. And he, he's, he's a funny one. He's just, he does make his little songs and goes out there and God bless him. We love it. Um, and I saw Paul McCartney in 2017, which is incredible. He's just a powerhouse to this day. He's such a, such talent, such a good songwriter. Wow. Um, they're still very much touring, still very much releasing music and stuff. How old would those two guys be now? Um, Ringo's the same age as John, so he would be 83. Wow, that's great. I think Ringo just had his birthday yesterday, so he'd be 83. Oh, happy birthday Ringo. He always does this thing where he gets everyone to wish, say peace and love at midday on his birthday. And I'm like, Ringo, there's time zones. Like, you can't. I love it. He's so good. That's brilliant. And Paul will be maybe 80, I think, at this stage. Yeah. So then when they were first coming up, they would have been very early 20s, presumably. Yeah, well they got together as a band when they were like 15, 16, you know, they were together for ages. Doesn't that just make you furious as a performer that people like figured it out so early and like had success? I'm pretty sure I'm the age that George was when he left The Beatles, when The Beatles ended. Like, it's terrible. I don't want to hear that. It's terrible. I was going to say as well, what's... Do you remember your first memory of the Beatles? I think, I think so. My dad really loves them. Yeah. Um, and we grew up just driving, like, I remember driving to Taupō, um, which is obviously Sydney, New Zealand. Like on school holidays, we'd be playing Taupō. We love pronunciation. Yeah. Um, I remember him playing it a lot. Just my dad plays music. Well, he has music playing every second of the day all the time. He can't function without it. So a lot of the Beatles were playing. Um, but I got into them because I was watching, have you seen Michael Jackson's moonwalker movie? Yeah, I think so. It's a fever dream. That's unrelated to the Beatles, but recommend if you can watch moonwalker. It's crazy. Okay. Um, but Sean Lennon, who is John and Yoko's son, he's in that and he's like 13 years old. Wow. And I watched the movie with my brother and he was like, Oh, Sean Lennon's in this. I'm like, who's Sean Lennon? And he's like, John Lennon's son. I'm like, who's John Lennon? And so I got really into Sean Lennon because he's a musician. Oh, cool. And then it went into the Beatles. That was sort of how it went. Right. That's a, that's quite an interesting path to get into them, but, um, very cool. And do you have a favorite, uh, album or kind of era of the band? It's so hard to say, but I think if I had to say era, it would be mid sixties. That would be, because I have quite a few fates, like I love Rubber Soul and I love Revolver. And I love the first half of Yellow Submarine is an album and the second half is orchestral. So people don't really count it. But I really loved that first half of that album. Yeah. And Help, Help is maybe my favorite. And that's mid sixties as well. Yeah. They actually had a lot more. I don't know why, but before we did this interview, I was just reading a tiny bit on them. I... I had this weird idea in my head that the Beatles were only together for like two years, but it was actually more like 10 or 20, wasn't it? Yeah, it was... They released albums from 63 to 70. So it was like seven years and they did two albums a year, which is crazy. That's a lot of albums, but that's not a long time, is it? Nah, and the albums are still so... They're great. All of them are great. But yeah, I think they were like on contract, as I mean, to be doing two albums a year. I suppose that must come from the fact that they were so used to performing for those long stretches. Like I guess at that point, it's just like, well, we've done all this training so let's like make hay while the sun shines kind of thing, right? Totally. And I think they were just like the biggest thing in the entire world. They were just like, you need to start, you need to just keep doing this. You need to keep this train going. I remember I've seen videos of people that you can't even hear them from the screaming from the audience and stuff like that, right? Yeah, well, it's funny, me and Craig went to the Auckland Town Hall last week, I think, to see Taylor Tomlinson, she's a really funny comedian. And we were just talking about how The Beatles performed there when they came here and we were like Googling pictures and looking at the stage and be like, oh, that was where they were to perform. And Craig was saying that they couldn't even do their Christchurch show, they'd begun their Christchurch show and they couldn't even finish it because it was just so insane. The Christchurch show kind of just barely happened. That sounds like Christchurch to me. Isn't that crazy? They played at the Christchurch Town Hall. Yes, I think. Yeah. They definitely played at Auckland Town Hall, which is, I can't remember. I need to look it up, but they, yeah, they couldn't do. And if you've been to Auckland Town Hall during East New Zealand reference, but um, they have, they have this beautiful organ that like, it's like two stories high that you look at when you're sitting, looking at the stage and then there's like these kind of. the like kind of big steps that go up to the organ behind where the person would stand on the stage, like behind them. But when we looked at these pictures of the Beatles, people were sitting on those seats behind the Beatles on the stage. Like just audience members? That's so odd. Yeah, just audience like girls, like just standing. And it would be so because you're kind of standing, you're sitting behind them while they're performing. So yeah, that would have been a great like, I wonder how much they had to pay for those tickets, right? Like, I know. My Grant's husband, this is a fun story, he passed away about a year ago, rest in peace, but he went to The Beatles' Wellington show, because he was living there, and he said it was so good he went the next night. Wow. I know people who've made that mistake with comedians and gone back the second night being devastated to learn that it was the same material. Oh, that is gushing. Geez Louise. That also seems so bizarre to think that like you could get a ticket to like, you know, that they wouldn't be sold out in seconds. That's what I think. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, you know, you think about like the Errors Tour and stuff, you think that stuff's gone when it's in demand, you know? Yeah, I had this great experience. I was setting up for a show on Thursday last week, and there was a couple, it was, we were about an hour before the show was to start, so there was just the usual people, and there was a couple that were sitting in the little performance area, and they had like kind of first date energy, and. Took me about 30 minutes to set everything up and like the entire time she was just telling him how hard it was to get Taylor Swift tickets. And like to this guy's credit, he managed to see him engaged the whole time. Like, oh yeah. Oh, really? Oh, okay. And like, just like, wow, that's a huge thing. Uh, trying to get tickets for. I wonder if they were first date. Cause that's, that's something I'd do if I wasn't a Taylor Swift, I'd be like, oh, my whole day's been stressful. Well, maybe that was the. I didn't catch the very start of the conversation, but, um, yeah, I don't know. It just, it just felt like first aid energy to me, but interesting conversation for the first day. Yeah. So he was just kind of not, he was uninterested in her story. He was just like, all right. I feel like for the first 10 minutes, you can kind of be like, wow, that's really difficult, but like he had to keep that energy for the whole rest of the conversation. And it just kept going. And I just sort of went, oh geez, like, get on this guy. You know, he's. He's, he's, um, I don't know for all I know, maybe he was enjoying the conversation, but, um, I still remember just sort of looking at the time being like, wow, they're still talking about Taylor Swift. This is going. Yeah. Wow. Gosh. So, um, we've, there was another delightful tangent on Sling Us, but, uh, the Beatles, I was going to say as well, do you feel like the Beatles have influenced you as a performer in any way? That's a really interesting question. Um. Well, I don't know. I think the Beatles were definitely, excuse me. The Beatles were definitely very funny. Um, like they did a couple of movies in the sixties, which were real good. They did Hardest Night. They did Help, which are my favorite ones. Um, Magical Mystery 2 was a bit kind of trippy, but they, they were really funny. Um, and I think I really enjoyed their comedy, um, as a, a young one as well. Yeah. Um. I don't know, I mean, just speaking before about how they just went hard out in Germany and just did show after show after show. I think that is a really good work ethic for comedy because comedy is all about just doing the thing. It's all about just doing the gig, constantly gigging. There's always another gig. There's always another chance to prove yourself. I think after years of doing comedy, I really believe in that. Just keep at it and do it as much as you can. Yeah, I would say as well, just from what little I see of the Auckland scene, it seems like you are. definitely putting in your 10,000 hours. Um, I seem to see your name pop up on the lineups and stuff like that. So they must've definitely left that impression on you in that kind of way. Yeah, for sure. I just think, um, it's so, yeah, I've, I've made it a habit, I think, to do just every gig, it's just my whole life. And I think it was probably theirs as well. They just decided to do, do that. And it was probably maybe the the clubs and the bars were like, you need to fill this 10 hour spot. And it's like, what do you do? You want to get to where you're going to go. So you want to put your time in. I remember reading, I don't remember what the number was, but I remember their pay was not that great for how, you know, if you broke it down to like the amount of hours, they weren't really earning that much. Um, like in terms of just the Beatles in general, like when they were famous, I think even just for any musician working for 10 hours in a nightclub, I think it was sort of like enough to survive. And then I think they had, um, sort of dormitory that they lived in, but it was just like a cinder block kind of room with some mats on the floor and they were sleeping there. And yeah, that the whole idea of like, I was listening to Conor McGregor talking about this as well, the UFC fighter. And he said that someone called him talented. And he was like, I'm not talented. I'm just obsessed. Anyone can be good at this. You just have to be obsessed and you have to make it your entire life. Totally. I fully agree with them. Yeah, it is an interesting one with, you know, we all pick our kind of our art form, for lack of a better word or something like that. And it really does have to sort of dominate your life for, I don't know, 10 years, 20 years until you kind of, you know, you're seeing comedians like big into any of the sort of American podcasts, like, I don't know, like Tom Sager and his wife's one or that sort of thing. No, I love podcasts a lot. I don't get to listen to them as much. anymore just because I think I work a lot now, but huge fan of Comedy Bang Bang. I've never heard of that one. That's one of my first favorite podcasts. So good. Who's on that one? It's like 800 episodes. Wow. Yeah. Comedy Bang Bang. If you've, have you listened to it before? No, I haven't. Who are the, who are the kind of hosts or whatever it is? It's so, so it's, it's an easy podcast to get into because they have a lot of guest stars on it. Yeah. But it's hosted by Scott Ockerman. wrote for like, um, what was that show called in the, I can't remember. Anyway, this is a bad, uh, but he, he basically just has, it's an outlay based show and he hosts it and he might have a famous comedian or a comedian who's doing something, it's got a show coming out and then he'll have an improv comedian come in and be a character. Um, and it's like, and they just interact with this character. Um, like the characters are insane. Like they're so ridiculous. Like they had this, um, Andy Daly is a comedian who's on it a lot and his character is incredible. My favorite one is, um, this guy, he's a guy called hot dog and he's like this American guy who's obsessed with doo wop music and he's just like, he wants to get into the band Sha Na Na. Do you know who Sha Na is? I've heard the name, but I don't, couldn't say what they are. They're a band from the eighties who did do fifties doo wop and they like, and he just comes and he's just like, I want to get in Sha Na and they're like, but they've broken up. He's like, no, It's just like, it's so funny. Like it's hilarious improv. Okay. We go. Yeah. Comedy bang bang. Recommend have a listen. Yeah, definitely. Um, I was going to say as well, have you ever done any improv or are you pure stand up? I'm a pure stand up. Unfortunately. I wish it was cool enough to improv and confident. What about you? Have you done any, any of that? Well, so I have done a little bit of improv and when I was in Japan, one of our guys, He studied for a little bit, I think he did a few weeks in New York and he kind of learned what the basics were and he was kind of like the teacher that was a couple of lessons ahead of us. So he brought it back and taught us how to do some of the basics and we did a couple of performances, but I haven't done, I haven't done a heap. Um, but, but I sort of go, I do enjoy doing it, but I kind of had to pick whether I wanted to focus on standup. I couldn't feel like I couldn't really focus on both at the same time. And I was more into standup at the time. because it felt like you were developing a, you're kind of developing a body of work, I guess. And the thing with improv is because it's a clean slate, each scene, you know, that is appealing in itself because you can just like play and have fun. But at the time I was just more into the idea of building up a thing rather than just sketching it each time you do a scene. Yeah, for sure. Cause Craig says that, he's like, improv is real fun to do. terrible to watch, which I think is kind of funny. It definitely can be. And one thing that I've noticed from talking to some improv people is that the type of improv that the masses, you know, quote unquote, the masses enjoy watching is not the type of improv that improvisers tend to enjoy doing because it's a games like whose line is it anyway? And I think that's the, that's the paradox is people mainly just want to go and see an improv show and see whose line. but the improvisers want to do, they want to flesh out their characters and they want to do callbacks and they want to like skip the timeline forward 10 years and see where the characters are and that kind of thing. And I think that's a lot more like intellectually stimulating for the improvisers, but unfortunately people are just like, where's the bit where they have the buzzers and the props, you know, like they want like, just fun little short thingies. Yeah. I forgot why I started asking you about improv. I think it was just because I'd seen those shows by Love Lamp up in Auckland. And I know they do like a collab with a comedian or something, right? I did that for, so 2021 Love Lamp had a fest show, or like a fest stint in the comedy festival and I was a monologue-ist. I did the monologue, which was basically, I did just my material. I just did like a six minute spot and I did that three times throughout the hour. And then I go do stuff on my material, which was really fun. I dare it was easy for me because I could shoot it with my material. Um, but I, cause I asked Amy Bird who she does it runs a lot. I can't remember, but she, she got me to do it. I think I asked you before I was like, so there's, there's two, I do two monologues, right? She's like, yeah. I was like, okay, cool. And then we begun the show or no, I begun the show. I did the two monologues and then Amy goes in for a third monologue is welcome back out right now. And I was like, what? It's like came out and I just read my notes on my phone and it went down. Like I wasn't super flustered, but it was funny. I was like, well, I'll just pull something out of my ass. Yeah. So I just read notes off my phone and that was fun. But that was the whole point. Like I was kind of just like, well, think of something on the spot like everyone else's. Like it kind of put me in that zone. You're in the, in the, in the spirit of it when in Rome, as they say. Honestly though, the one thing I will say about improv, which was so impressive to me. So I turned up there, um, I don't know, like half an hour before the show started and they were all, um, maybe about eight to 10 of the improv troupe. and they were all doing the improv warmup. So they're all standing in a circle doing the like, just really pumping each other up, just getting the blood flowing, just doing the games. And I was like, wow, this is such a nice vibe. Cause when I turn up to a green room for stand up, everyone just wants to kill themselves. They're all just like, shit sucks. And I'm like, the vibe is so different. It's so different. The movement is pacing, yeah. Totally. Well, that's one thing that bugs me about stand up is because it's so individualistic. There is no, well, there's very little camaraderie between the comics and like I think that might just be a consequence of the fact that it's not a team-based thing because at the end of the day if you're if you're a full-time stand-up it's just you and maybe like an opening act and then your opening act is only with you until they get big enough to start doing their own shows so like it's really just you sitting on the top of the mountain I think there are certain pockets of comedians that like sort of trying to I don't know make each other make us all have each other's back. But yeah, that's something we could definitely learn from improv is the idea of like, if you look good, I look good. And- For sure, for sure. It's the tough thing cause it can be really competitive. I think it's kind of, it's nice with Craig and I since we're together and we both do comedy. We do like cheer each other on when each other gets a win. And it is kind of a team thing, even though it's obviously very individual comediers, but even things like we'll turn up to a gig and we'll both film each other's set. It's nice to have a little duo to be able to make those kind of things happen. It is useful, yeah. Yeah, but that works really well between the two of us. You know, that's a blessing. Yeah, that's great. Because then you're not trying to steal each other's thunder at all, but there are certain... One thing people learn is the more you get into doing stand-up and probably other art forms, there's a lot of admin that you have to do as well that people don't think about. It's just things like... emails, like I spend so much of my time chasing up venues about things and yeah, like playing phone tag with them and then yeah, even just filming your own set, organizing it. Like I basically refuse to film at the comic sets now because that just results in me having it sit on my Google Drive for like months and then the day that I go, they've probably deleted it by now. I get the message, Hey, the video is gone. Oh God, leave me alone. You're like, yeah, there's. Yeah. It's tough. Yeah, it's tough. It's being a comedian. You've really just got to start from the beginning and just really work your way up, build your craft and just like, just build those stripes. It doesn't make sense. But you know what I mean? It's, it's, you've really just got to work at it until you're there. But I think that's really cool that Improv and Stand Up do crossover like with that Love Lamp group. I always love their posters as well. So we've got a couple minutes left. Anything you want to plug that you got coming up? I honestly have no idea when this is coming out, so I'll do all the plug of your socials and stuff like that, but yeah just anything you're looking forward to coming up. Well I am looking forward to going to brunch in an hour with Liv McKenzie. That's nothing to do with anything, you guys will miss that. I am doing, I'll be gigging all around Auckland, if you see an open mic in Auckland, New Zealand, I will most likely be on it. I'm doing the 6pm show at the Classic. on the 20th of July, that's for seven days, so that will be really exciting. Um, and I am doing, I'm doing a gig on the 31st, um, and I can't remember where it is, but it's got Negrado on it and Brenna Green who have very, very cool comics. I did the poster for that. It's at Vulcan. Oh yeah, it's a great poster. But thank you. I appreciate it. Uh, by that time, this, this episode won't be up by that point, but, um, I guess when people are listening, I hope those gigs went well. Went well for you. Thank you. Thank you so much. I will be, I'll just be doing comedy. I'm sure if you follow my socials, I'll be posting about it. Yeah. If you, if you see Renee on line up, treat yourself and go and check it out. Hell yeah. Comedy we love. Yeah. I appreciate you joining me. Uh, it's been an interesting one with some tech, so hopefully it's not too, I'll cut out all of the weirdness, but, um, yeah, I appreciate you joining me and I hope your brunch goes great. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Love to all. No more autographs. Peace and love. And welcome back, I hope you enjoyed that interview. I recorded it a long time ago and if I remember correctly, it was during that week that Auckland and Christchurch were having really bad torrential rain, so I think our internet connection did drop a few times. I'm just about to go and edit the interview now, so if there was random static noises and other transitions, that would have just been when... the connection would have dropped as I seem to remember it did happen a couple of times in that interview. But anyway, I hope you enjoyed it. I'm going to give you the lowdown on Renee's social media platforms now. Just bear with me a second as Renee is another comedian with different tags on every single platform. So on Facebook, you can find Renee at Renee Church comedian. On Instagram, she is renne underscore church. On TikTok. She is SimpBiscuit, like a limp biscuit but with two P's. And then on Twitter, she's very funny at Twitter, she is LexHoneyUnderscore. I will chuck all of those links into the show notes so you can just click on which one you want to follow Renee on but I highly recommend you do, at least Twitter and Instagram. Very very funny content being uploaded by Renee. As always you know I'm on all the social media platforms. at Taylor Riddle Comedy. Follow Can Do Comedy for gig updates. I've had a couple of interesting conversations over the last week that seem to be leading towards some pretty cool events, I guess. They're not exactly stand-up events, but just watch the space, I guess. Follow Can Do Comedy as the announcements will go live there before everything else. As always. Tuesday night's quiz at Bridie's Bar and Bistro that is hosted permanently now by Chris Wood. He has taken over from Henry Hickman. Henry was away for a few weeks and Chris filled in, very grateful to Chris for filling in. Chris has agreed to take over as the kind of permanent host of that and it's been really picking up. I think we've had five, six teams in the last couple of weeks, which is really encouraging. If you're in that area and you want a really kick-ass quiz, definitely get along to that. I think Chris is doing a great job as the host there. Wednesday nights come out to Moi Moi, that is my quiz night. They're all hosted by Can Do Comedy, but I actually host the one on Wednesdays. Same quiz, it'll be a different quiz, but it's all run by G Quiz. Very, very good quiz. More interesting than your sort of typical, believe it or not, but not quite as off the chain as some quizzes I've seen, like it is still a. a points based kind of thing. Every Thursday of course, check out the Laugh Seller at Austin Club. We have had to, fortunately, unfortunately, it's all relative, we've had to change the price. It is no longer Koha, it is $10 entry. So I do apologize if that is going to make it a barrier for you to come out, but unfortunately, we just had to change that up in order to actually kind of ensure the future of that show. So now that it's 10 bucks, we're not gonna like. gouge or push it up or anything like that. Literally, if everybody in that room paid 10 bucks, we could run that quiz, that show, excuse me, forever. If you listen to the show, you know I live very frugally, so that's, that's 10 bucks entry is more than enough for that show to function perfectly as it should. Speaking of the Laugh Seller, I don't know how much I can say right now, as it's only kind of penciled in, We might be adding another Night of the Week under the Laugh Cellar banner. So if you are unable to make it out on Thursdays for whatever reason, just keep an eye on the Can Do Comedy Facebook page and once we make the announcement in the new year, you'll be able to see kind of what the plan is for that show going forward. But yeah, if you've been wanting to make it out but you can't do it on Thursdays, we might have a better alternative for you coming up soon. In terms of a life update for anybody, if you're, I guess if you're listening this far, you're interested in hearing a life update. How am I doing? Things are good. My flatmate has been battling some kind of illness for the last week and I've been desperately trying not to catch it as well. I had a really bad run of hay fever today and I think yesterday. So that set my paranoia into overdrive. but I think I'm good. I've been smashing vitamin C, drinking lots of water. I've actually been, oh, that's what I can tell you about. I've been exercising way more consistently for the past couple of weeks. I finally got my, I've always, how do we even start this? I always had this thing in my head that like nighttime was the best time to train and because the gym would be quieter, I tend to like peace and quiet, but. since I've been doing this kind of thing full time, it's freed up my days and I've always been meaning to kind of get into the routine of going and training in the mornings. But I think much like when the pandemic happened and we all realised that like, oh, it's not free time. It's holding me back from achieving my dreams. It's actually motivation. I finally got myself kind of like into the mindset of get in there and train. It's sort of like between like 11 o'clock and one o'clock. get in some good cardio, do a bit of stretching, and then get home with, you know, feeling proud of myself that I've done a little bit of self care, like in the days not even finished yet. And I've even started to notice that on the days that I don't train, I feel like I kind of want to. So that's good. I think that's kind of like when you've made a new habit or something like that, right? I don't know, just, but it's very promising. I seem to have, it's like with Alcoholics Anonymous, people are only ready to join Alcoholics Anonymous when they're ready to, and you can't force it. And it seems like I am ready to become a daytime gym person. So that's good, love that for me. Just done a big tidy up in the house, reorganized my kind of working space. It was, I had to kind of do a bit of a separation. and that I now have two desks, I have a computer desk, and then I have a sort of temporary desk where my printer and laptop go, because previously, and actually, as I'm recording this right now, I'm sitting on my sofa holding the microphone, talking to myself. And that system had been working out pretty well, that was where I tended to reply to emails, and I would do printing or posting graphics, whatever I needed to do, I would kind of do it from this sofa right here. But... I started to realize that I was confusing myself and that the sofa became this kind of hybrid work and chill out space. But then what happened is when I would try to chill out, I think my brain was still wanting to go in work mode. And then vice versa, when I was in work mode, I kind of just wanted to chill out. So it wasn't working very well. I think this happened to a lot of people during the pandemic. They had to very clearly define workspace, sleeping space, chill out space, et cetera. So the other day I did a bit of a shuffle around and now I've got like a quote unquote office space and I've got a place to sit and watch Sons of Anarchy for the fifth time on my laptop. So that's all going good. I think I did have a few nights this week where I was being kept up a little bit by that fear of like, oh God, do I have to go back to, do I have to start looking for a job in the new year? But based on a few conversations that I've had this week, and just in general how things are going, it looks like I'm gonna be pretty stable cashflow wise going into 2024, assuming the couple of things that I have in mind pan out, which I'm kind of hoping they will. I'm thinking I'll probably do a year in review. I think when it was like March, I can't actually remember when I first quit my day job. Whenever that was, I'm gonna... find out what the year anniversary of that was and I'll do a podcast that is my kind of reflection on the year being a self-employed variety entertainer as my tax status calls me. Because while it has been awesome, there are a lot of things that are really frustrating about it, so it would be good to show the balance of, you know, it's great to be your own boss, but be aware that this is going to happen and this is going to happen and you're going to have to think about this and blah, blah. A very good friend of mine has actually just gone back from being self-employed to working for quote unquote the man again. And I think it was, it's kind of a grass is always greener situation. I think I tend to do one for a few years and then start to think that the other one might be a better situation for me. So I'm yeah, almost a year into being self-employed. I guess I have to check in and another two or three years and just see if I'm still feeling is stoked to be self-employed. That could be an interesting podcast too. Okay, I think I'm just going on a bit now. It's been so long since I've actually recorded one of the intros to these and have it release a few days after I'm recording this on Thursday, the seventh of December. I'm about to finish recording this, probably edit the episode, get it all uploaded, and then I'm gonna go to the laugh cellar and I think I'm hosting the show tonight, so that should be fun. Got a couple of new jokes to try out. And yeah, hopefully I don't bomb. Well, I think I'll wrap it up there. Appreciate you listening. As always, the podcast has been growing, as I've already said, many times in the last few, leave a review on Apple podcasts or Spotify, if you'd like to help me reach more people, tell a friend about the podcast, if you think they would enjoy it. And just keep listening. I appreciate every single listener out there. Hopefully we can really push this thing in 2024 and. see if we can get it to the stage where it is kind of you know generating a little bit of income for me or at least paying for itself because that would be delightful. So thanks so much for listening I'll catch up with you next Monday hope you have a lovely rest of the week and I look forward to talking to you next Monday. Ruddler out!